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07-05-2019, 12:52 PM
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His speech was not horrible but I don't think Trump understands what the celebration is for.
We could look to Thomas Jefferson for guidance as to the meaning of Independence Day for us and all men in the world.
"May it be to the world, what I believe it will be, (to some parts sooner, to others later, but finally to all) the Signal of arousing men to burst the chains, under which monkish ignorance and superstition had persuaded them to bind themselves, and to assume the blessings & security of self-government. That form which we have substituted, restores the free right to the unbounded exercise of reason and freedom of opinion. All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view. The palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace of God. These are grounds of hope for others. For ourselves, let the annual return of this day forever refresh our recollections of these rights, and an undiminished devotion to them."
I find it hard to believe that Trump believes in that.
He has no idea what western liberalism is, why the founders thought it is important and why previous presidents did not "take meetings" with dictators.
Some of his best friends are chainers.
Less than a week before his Fourth of July celebration, he walked into the literal prison state of North Korea and was impressed "When you talk about a wall, when you talk about a border, that's what they call a border. Nobody goes through that border." He didn't call for the self-determination of the people, but had a smiling photo op with the man who is binding them in servitude.
Jefferson said “the free right to the unbounded exercise of reason and freedom of opinion.”
Trump spent the week prior to his July 4th show, joking with his friend Vlad about how he cracks down on journalists expressing their freedom of opinion.
Trump doesn't fight to help those booted and spurred by the “favored few.” His despotic administration is being run by his family, including his favored son-in-law who meets in private with the guy who ordered the murder, dismemberment and dissolving in acid the body of a man who was arguing for a free society.
The United States of America is not merely a country, but an idea.
It’s about the choice that we make between submission and the sword, a signal to rouse men throughout the world and a celebration of inalienable rights.
And each year we remember and celebrate that, so we don't find ourselves with saddles on our backs, and we do things as a people and government that enables others to gain their freedom.
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07-07-2019, 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by spence
My favorite description of Trump was “an angry grandpa reading a fifth grader’s book report on American military history.”
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that's a good one...my favorite was "Trump celebrates America....democrats engage in angry protest" |
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07-07-2019, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by scottw
that's a good one...my favorite was "Trump celebrates America....democrats engage in angry protest"
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it’s a political flop for the left, when they hysterically oppose what that was.
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07-05-2019, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
was it “look at me”? or was it “look at america”?
youre right, it is sad that you see him in the light you see him in, instead of in a light of fairness and objectivity.
#orangemanbad
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I made clear it was clearly about Trump and American was his back drop.
As for objectivity you should try it... ask yourself.. why has no other potus in the past 70 years do what Trump did.. i am sure there were a few darkmoments in those years that such a re affirmation of our independence would have been acceptable... yet it never happened.
Lets ask why now in his term why not his 1st or 2nd year .. but can you say 2020 election??? None of this is cryptic ... or imagined....
This is not being against the 4th of july.. i have been to the oldest 4th parade as a kid that had missles on trucks fly overs many time i marched in the same parade as a member of the Military in full gear..
Its about a potus who cares more about look what I did .. in the hopes you dont ask what did we America get other than a photo opportunity...
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07-05-2019, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
I made clear it was clearly about Trump and American was his back drop.
Its about a potus who cares more about look what I did .. in the hopes you dont ask what did we America get other than a photo opportunity..
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^^^this is incredibly sour...it was a great event...and we got this =terrible news for democraps I'm sure
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/05/jobs...june-2019.html |
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07-05-2019, 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
I made clear it was clearly about Trump and American was his back drop.
As for objectivity you should try it... ask yourself.. why has no other potus in the past 70 years do what Trump did.. i am sure there were a few darkmoments in those years that such a re affirmation of our independence would have been acceptable... yet it never happened.
Lets ask why now in his term why not his 1st or 2nd year .. but can you say 2020 election??? None of this is cryptic ... or imagined....
This is not being against the 4th of july.. i have been to the oldest 4th parade as a kid that had missles on trucks fly overs many time i marched in the same parade as a member of the Military in full gear..
Its about a potus who cares more about look what I did .. in the hopes you dont ask what did we America get other than a photo opportunity...
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please provide a quote or two from his speech, where he made it all
about him? even liberals are saying it was about the republic.
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07-06-2019, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
please provide a quote or two from his speech, where he made it all
about him? even liberals are saying it was about the republic.
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Keep your head in the sand .... and nice dodge .. i guess being the potus doesn't have meaning .. and he didnt say anything so it was all innocuous...
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07-05-2019, 06:39 AM
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Sad indeed
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07-05-2019, 07:15 AM
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Tiny hands leads to large parades.
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07-05-2019, 07:42 AM
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I never thought it would go so far that the #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s would find fault in a July 4th parade. Oy
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07-05-2019, 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles
I never thought it would go so far that the #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s would find fault in a July 4th parade. Oy
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i saw some clips, it was all a celebration of america and the military. maybe i missed the parts where he patted himself on the back and made fun of cnn. i only saw clips, not the whole thing.
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07-05-2019, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles
I never thought it would go so far that the #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s would find fault in a July 4th parade. Oy
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Just so you're aware, this is how stupid it looks when you talk like this. Granted, you've still got some work to achieve elite dip#^&#^&#^&#^& status like Lou Dobbs.
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4...mp-4th-of-july |
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07-05-2019, 09:27 AM
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what about the celebration, offended you, exactly? other than the fact that hilary wasn’t at the podium?
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07-05-2019, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by spence
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Virtual hug for you if you are offended Jeff. Extra Kleenex last night?
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PRO CHOICE REPUBLICAN
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07-05-2019, 07:54 AM
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it’s also not the first time tanks have been part of a celebration in DC. but why let facts get in the way of a good, foaming at the mouth, howling at the moon, tin foil hat, liberal rant?
https://shareth.is/f6881750?fbclid=I...re/1642869001/
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07-05-2019, 09:43 AM
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It was not political. His speech didn't bring in politics. It was not about him. It was what the 4th of July is really about. It was a celebration of the founding of this country, and about the greatness of what has been created, and about the pride in who we are. It was positive and uplifting, not negative and depressing as so much of the spin about this country from the left is. It was a reminder of the good and power that we have which the annual birthday of this nation inspires us to keep, not to destroy . . . or fundamentally transform.
Ranting about how ugly it was is dispiriting, demoralizing, gloomy politics.
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07-05-2019, 03:58 PM
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Jeez, I have to wonder if any previous presidents took meetings with dictators. 🤡
And I know for a fact there is no precedent for nepotism in the White House.🤡🤡
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07-05-2019, 06:51 PM
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Worst possible spin as expected.
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07-07-2019, 09:39 AM
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I love how you asked Wayne for one quote and his response is that YOU dodged the question. Stand up guy.
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07-07-2019, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles
I love how you asked Wayne for one quote and his response is that YOU dodged the question. Stand up guy.
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yeah, i was wondering what i dodged, exactly.
liberals love to project. when they accuse you of racism, hate, fascism, dodging, they are often talking about themselves.
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07-07-2019, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
liberals love to project. when they accuse you of racism, hate, fascism, dodging, they are often talking about themselves.
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You can add lying to that list. |
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07-07-2019, 09:55 PM
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You can add lying to that list.
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Typical Trump circle jerk just swallow and you’ll all be happy
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07-07-2019, 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
Typical Trump circle jerk just swallow and you’ll all be happy
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Small but very good circle. Your lyin' circle sucks.
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07-08-2019, 01:13 PM
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I love how you asked Wayne for one quote and his response is that YOU dodged the question. Stand up guy.
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Your funny seems you cant follow the bouncing ball ..
Me.. ask yourself.. why has no other potus in the past 70 years do what Trump did.
jim i asked for a couple of quotes to support your statement that it was about him.....
Funny I said nothing about what Trump said..(as my reason it was about him) it was about him before he even opened his mouth... ??? i was very clear
but Jim asking question about his own conclusions is a clear dodge 70 years of presidents and the 4th and why now would Trump insert himself into the 4th As i said why not his 1st year or his 2nd no had to be his 3rd year aka election kick off ..
chris maybe you and jim should take his advice you can’t bring yourself to admit it. you sold out to Trump you've thrown away your dignity, respect , even individual thought... even faced with all the information available ... your Trump lemmings who will follow him off the clift ....  |
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07-08-2019, 01:19 PM
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your Trump lemmings who will follow him off the clift .... |
indeed... |
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07-08-2019, 06:40 PM
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Clearly the musings of a beaten man.
He is obviously out of facts to support his emotions.
When you called him “a reality star playing for the camera” was that not a look at me observation? You wrote it,just wondering why.
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07-09-2019, 07:14 AM
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Trump July 4 event as 'taxpayer-funded campaign ad'
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/...81084531441664
The White House cut a short video of the event set to stirring music. It features plenty of military hardware, and enlisted personnel cheering and clapping for Trump. Filmed in part with a high definition camera, it is one of the most polished videos the Trump White House has produced.
It was quickly tweeted by Trump, and then re-tweeted by TeamTrump, the “official Twitter for the Trump campaign.”
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07-09-2019, 07:19 AM
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That was a very uplifting video, thank you for sharing.
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"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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07-09-2019, 12:59 PM
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Love seeing that stealth thing
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