Barr testimony

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by spence

I think it's over 400 now.

"But Alan Dershowisz said..."

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

"But Alan Dershowisz said..."

You are confusing the collusion with the obstruction. Understandable, it’s hard to distinguish one liberal hissy fit from the next.

Dershowitz feels the push for the collusion probe ( have we forgotten about this already?) may have been purely political. i say, let’s find out. The probe was to see if Trump broke the law by colluding with Russia, and there’s insufficient evidence he did.

Whether or not Trump obstructed, is distinct. if he did, let’s impeach him. i see that even among house democrats, only the radical fringe is talking about impeachment. I presume there is a reason why Pelosi isnt on board.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

let’s impeach him.

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please let it happen!

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You are confusing the collusion with the obstruction.

Glad you are now referring to both in the affirmative.

Dershowitz feels the push for the collusion probe ( have we forgotten about this already?) may have been purely political. i say, let’s find out. The probe was to see if Trump broke the law by colluding with Russia, and there’s insufficient evidence he did.

The probe was launched to see if members of the campaign had links or coordination with Russia along with any other crimes that were a result of the investigation. In advance of the special council's appointment they already had evidence this was a possibility and needed to be investigated. There's just too much there there to claim this was a hit job.

Whether or not Trump obstructed, is distinct. if he did, let’s impeach him. i see that even among house democrats, only the radical fringe is talking about impeachment. I presume there is a reason why Pelosi isnt on board.

Pelosi is just hedging because isn't likely to move past the House and Trump is very good at playing the victim card. Even you buy his lies and spin.

New polls show 60% think Trump lied about the investigation and now 47% of Republicans say the'd consider a challenger for the nomination. Not good numbers.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Pelosi is just hedging

pelosi is insane

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

The probe was launched to see if members of the campaign had links or coordination with Russia along with any other crimes that were a result of the investigation. In advance of the special council's appointment they already had evidence this was a possibility and needed to be investigated. There's just too much there there to claim this was a hit job.

And how many people were indicted for actions related to the collusion? Z-E-R-O. Boy, there must have been a lot "there".

There's also a possibility that some DOJ and FBI officials had their thumbs on the scales, that also needs to be investigated.

[spence]

Closing in on 500

[scottw]

spence nobody cares and every time you get all aroused like this you don't get a happy ending.....

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by scottw

spence nobody cares and every time you get all aroused like this you don't get a happy ending.....

Truth.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by scottw

spence nobody cares and every time you get all aroused like this you don't get a happy ending.....

He practices Tantric Politics.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

He practices Tantric Politics.
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have to admit to not knowing what that word meant...does that say more about me or you?

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by scottw

have to admit to not knowing what that word meant...does that say more about me or you?

Probably both
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Closing in on 500

so what’s the magic
number? and if i get that many lawyers to
sign something saying that anyone other than hilary would
have been arrested for violating email security, would
that be good
enough to convince you? no it would
not. so this is exactly as meaningless.
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[spence]

Jim, (for the 73rd time) there's no indictment for collusion. Over 250 contacts with Russians. Every one of those hidden is an incident of collusion.

I think we're up to 700 by the way.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Jim, (for the 73rd time) there's no indictment for collusion. Over 250 contacts with Russians. Every one of those hidden is an incident of collusion.

I think we're up to 700 by the way.

Oh. So they did find collusion. Thanks for the alternate universe opinion
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Jim, (for the 73rd time) there's no indictment for collusion. Over 250 contacts with Russians. Every one of those hidden is an incident of collusion.

I think we're up to 700 by the way.

Ahhh... if collusion isn’t a crime, what was the point? for two years, how many in the media predicted indictments? his son and
son in law we’re sure to get indicted!!



oh, 700. and if that many said hilary should have gone to prison, that would mean what to you, exactly?
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Ahhh... if collusion isn’t a crime, what was the point? for two years, how many in the media predicted indictments? his son and son in law we’re sure to get indicted!!

In the report it basically states the reason Don Jr didn't get indicted was that he was too stupid to realize he was breaking campaign finance laws for his coordination with WikiLeaks. Just because there's no indictment doesn't mean there's not wrongdoing. Read the report.

Remember there are still a dozen outstanding investigations we don't have any visibility to. This is likely one of the big reasons Trump desperate to keep the full report under wraps.

The idea that this is all over is laughable.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

In the report it basically states the reason Don Jr didn't get indicted was that he was too stupid to realize he was breaking campaign finance laws for his coordination with WikiLeaks.

The reason that he didn't get indicted is that his lack of intent to do so didn't meet the criteria for indictment. That you use that as an occasion to call him stupid demonstrates your politically driven lack of class.

Remember there are still a dozen outstanding investigations we don't have any visibility to. This is likely one of the big reasons Trump desperate to keep the full report under wraps.

Yup, there are a lot of investigations forthcoming. And lots of attempts to keep information under wraps. Of course you seem to give a nod to, and salivate over, only those that may get Trump. But . . . . there are several others that may bring tears to your eyes and dry up your spittle.

The idea that this is all over is laughable.

You might insert here another one of your lengthy and hollow HAHA'S. Who said "this" is all over?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

The idea that this is all over is laughable.

Oh, I agree it's not over. The next step is investigating the people who started the hoax, to see if Obama's justice department broke rules by becoming political campaign operatives. It's not over by a long shot, I cannot wait for the next stage, I yearn for the next stage. You might not be as excited as I am, you might want to take a sabbatical to whatever spa you went to after the election.

Do you remember the left's reaction when Trump said his campaign was being spied on? Everyone laughed, everyone called him a liar. How many of those critics have admitted on air, that he was 100% correct? Has a single person done that?

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Do you remember the left's reaction when Trump said his campaign was being spied on? Everyone laughed, everyone called him a liar. How many of those critics have admitted on air, that he was 100% correct? Has a single person done that?

Christopher Wray would disagree that he was spied on, but then again, what does he know...

[Got Stripers]

Let’s not forget why this investigation started, it’s due to Russian interference in our election and while Mueller didn’t find collusion; there was plenty of wrong doing. Even Barr stated previously the FBI should be contacted if a foreign power takes steps to influence an election, did that happen? The FBI knows the Russians are continuing their efforts and what does our president think about it; he believes they will no longer attempt to interfere, gee wiz I wonder why that is. Trump is enabling foreign powers and by his inaction actually encouraging them to ramp it up for 2020, so to me there are far more troubling things about this report and Trumps complete disregard for the facts.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Let’s not forget why this investigation started, it’s due to Russian interference in our election and while Mueller didn’t find collusion; there was plenty of wrong doing. Even Barr stated previously the FBI should be contacted if a foreign power takes steps to influence an election, did that happen? The FBI knows the Russians are continuing their efforts and what does our president think about it; he believes they will no longer attempt to interfere, gee wiz I wonder why that is. Trump is enabling foreign powers and by his inaction actually encouraging them to ramp it up for 2020, so to me there are far more troubling things about this report and Trumps complete disregard for the facts.
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If it had stuck with Russian interference and not wandered off into investigating Trump when there was no concrete evidence that he was involved, and turning it into a political attempt to remove Trump, then we might more effectively have evolved into a solution.

On the other hand, there is probably not a whole lot we can do about Russian meddling. Maybe we could start by not doing our own meddling. Fat chance.

Probably, the best bet is to accomplish an economic community with the rest of the world rather than a political one. That takes agreement rather than war, cyber or otherwise.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Let’s not forget why this investigation started, it’s due to Russian interference in our election

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that is incorrect...it was due to leftist hissy fit

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Even Barr stated previously the FBI should be contacted if a foreign power takes steps to influence an election, did that happen?

I assume that Obama contacted the FBI, since the meddling started under his administration. Whatever he did certainly didn't do anything to stop it, or even slow it down. I also assume that the FBI is still aware and doing whatever it can.

The FBI knows the Russians are continuing their efforts and what does our president think about it; he believes they will no longer attempt to interfere, gee wiz I wonder why that is.

Has Trump told the FBI to stand down and do nothing about it? I doubt that the FBI will just leave it alone because someone reports that Trump thinks Russia won't continue.

Trump is enabling foreign powers and by his inaction actually encouraging them to ramp it up for 2020, so to me there are far more troubling things about this report and Trumps complete disregard for the facts.
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Trump has not completely disregarded the facts. He may have a bit different idea of what some of the facts are, but overall, there seems to have been some initiatives to interfere with Russian interference. And, certainly the FBI will continue to do the important stuff it needs to do. Overall, it has been reported that Trump has actually been tougher, in all respects, on the Russians than Obama was. Not sure if there has been any "enabling," and if there was, not sure who was the one doing it.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Trump has not completely disregarded the facts. He may have a bit different idea of what some of the facts are, but overall, there seems to have been some initiatives to interfere with Russian interference. And, certainly the FBI will continue to do the important stuff it needs to do. Overall, it has been reported that Trump has actually been tougher, in all respects, on the Russians than Obama was. Not sure if there has been any "enabling," and if there was, not sure who was the one doing it.

That statement cracks me up, Trump constantly disregards the fact and if the facts staff show him in pretty pictures (he can’t read as you know), they are shown the door. He has put his foot in his mouth so many times over facts he denies or disregards, as the truth comes out and he does the Donnie walk back and his typical distraction ploy to divert attention from his latest BS.

Speaking of BS, if The NY Times reporting is true, I guess Trump isn’t as smart and the art of the deal is how to loose a billion dollars of daddy’s money in ten years. No wonder he is fighting to not release his tax records, his base thinks he is a brilliant businessman, that will be a shock to their reality, that he can do the same magic for America.

Said it before, follow the money.

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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

That statement cracks me up, Trump constantly disregards the fact and if the facts staff show him in pretty pictures (he can’t read as you know), they are shown the door. He has put his foot in his mouth so many times over facts he denies or disregards, as the truth comes out and he does the Donnie walk back and his typical distraction ploy to divert attention from his latest BS.

Speaking of BS, if The NY Times reporting is true, I guess Trump isn’t as smart and the art of the deal is how to loose a billion dollars of daddy’s money in ten years. No wonder he is fighting to not release his tax records, his base thinks he is a brilliant businessman, that will be a shock to their reality, that he can do the same magic for America.

Said it before, follow the money.

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You have this impressive and colorful way of expressing what seems to be a wealth of knowledge. Ronnie Reagan may have had you in mind when he said: “It isn't so much that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so many things that aren't so.”

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by detbuch

You have this impressive and colorful way of expressing what seems to be a wealth of knowledge. Ronnie Reagan may have had you in mind when he said: “It isn't so much that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so many things that aren't so.”

And you have a mind like a sieve, because apparently you have no recollection of the countless lies and facts brought to light forcing the classic Trump walk back or narrative to change the public view of what he said.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

You have this impressive and colorful way of expressing what seems to be a wealth of knowledge. Ronnie Reagan may have had you in mind when he said: “It isn't so much that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so many things that aren't so.”

Oh ouch, I, I can't breathe...

[Sea Dangles]

Boom
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[The Dad Fisherman]

It's surveillance when "We" do it, it's spying when "They" do it.
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