Is Trump going to run for re-election?

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Some people are told stories in their childhood that are believed to be true, others are taught to lie.

It seems the Trump family has been lying about their ancestry for a couple of generations. Donald Trump himself claimed in his book Trump: The Art of the Deal from 1987 that his father came to America as a boy, having emigrated from Sweden.

But it's not true. At least not according to the biographies The Trumps: Three Generations That Built An Empire by Gwenda Blair, and The lost tycoon by Henry Hurt.


In their research into the Trump family, both author's have come to the conclusion that the Swedish origins was just a story invented by Trump's father. During the middle of the 19th century, Trump's true descent - German - was simply bad for business.

“In the 1940s, people, especially in the real estate industry in New York, didn't want to hear that somebody was German — so let's get rid of that. Let's be Swedish,” Gwenda Blair said in an inteview with Inside Edition.

According to the New York Times, Donald Trump even asked his father why he had to keep the lie going at the time of writing Trump: the Art of the Deal.


Henry Hurt writes that the reason for continuing the story was to not upset the Jewish tenants of Trump real estate, reports Aftonbladet.

The true story is that Trump's grandparents on his father's side came to America from the German town of Kallstadt in 1905. On his mother's side, Trump's ancestry is Scottish.

"I don't believe there's any Swedish ancestry whatsoever," biographer Gwenda Blair said.

So if Trump did a DNA test and it came back 1/1024th Swedish you'd be OK with his claims then?

for someone who isn't a fan of the "Whataboutism" you came back pretty quickly with a "Whataboutism"

[scottw]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

for someone who isn't a fan of the "Whataboutism" you came back pretty quickly with a "Whataboutism"

ironic timing...

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

So if Trump did a DNA test and it came back 1/1024th Swedish you'd be OK with his claims then?

for someone who isn't a fan of the "Whataboutism" you came back pretty quickly with a "Whataboutism"

I care more about his total indifference to truth than what his genetic heritage is.

Doesn't fit whataboutism definition, it's a reflection not a deflection.
Trump is the person who politicized the Pocahontas line

He too claimed a heritage that at best was suspect, but that likely he was taught to lie about.

[Pete F.]

To be quite honest, women have bigger concerns about straight men almost any place, then the relatively few transgender individuals in a bathroom.
In Vermont all single user restrooms are supposed to be gender neutral.
Just don’t push the button labeled ATR if you’re a male.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

In Vermont all single user restrooms are supposed to be gender neutral.

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??

[Pete F.]

If you look at some of the designs for new gender neutral bathrooms it will make more sense.
Instead of having a room with sinks and somewhat of an enclosure around toilet/urinals, they have a common washing room and private toilet rooms with no gaps to look thru (either way).
Pretty scary apparently

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

If you look at some of the designs for new gender neutral bathrooms it will make more sense.
Instead of having a room with sinks and somewhat of an enclosure around toilet/urinals, they have a common washing room and private toilet rooms with no gaps to look thru (either way).
Pretty scary apparently

You're missing the point. Lots of women don't want to be in the room with a man, doesn't matter if the toilet stalls go to the ground. I can't say I'd be comfortable with a woman sharing a rest room with me, but at least I know I don't need to fear of getting attacked. Women don't have that luxury.

If you had the ability to put yourself in someone else's shoes for just a moment, you'd see it. But liberals struggle to accept that some people disagree with them, and some who disagree, are actually normal, rational, nice people. We aren't all sub-human. But in this case, you are mocking the notion that any woman could ever have a legitimate reason to not want to share a restroom with a man. Nit everyone is exactly like you, not everyone feels exactly the same way. Solipsism (the belief that everyone is just like me), is rabid among liberals.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You're missing the point. Lots of women don't want to be in the room with a man, doesn't matter if the toilet stalls go to the ground. I can't say I'd be comfortable with a woman sharing a rest room with me, but at least I know I don't need to fear of getting attacked. Women don't have that luxury.

If you had the ability to put yourself in someone else's shoes for just a moment, you'd see it. But liberals struggle to accept that some people disagree with them, and some who disagree, are actually normal, rational, nice people. We aren't all sub-human. But in this case, you are mocking the notion that any woman could ever have a legitimate reason to not want to share a restroom with a man. Nit everyone is exactly like you, not everyone feels exactly the same way. Solipsism (the belief that everyone is just like me), is rabid among liberals.

It’s a bunch of single stall baths off a hallway with a common sink area
They have locked doors
If each one had a sink inside so it met your idea of a bathroom it would it be acceptable wouldn’t it
Open up a little bit, you’re getting a bit rabid

I suppose the touchless restrooms with no door bothers you also
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You're missing the point. Lots of women don't want to be in the room with a man, doesn't matter if the toilet stalls go to the ground. I can't say I'd be comfortable with a woman sharing a rest room with me, but at least I know I don't need to fear of getting attacked. Women don't have that luxury.

Have you ever heard of a transgender woman attacking another woman?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Have you ever heard of a transgender woman attacking another woman?

i’ve heard of men claiming to identify as a woman, attack and harass women in the ladies room. if you can’t foresee that this could happen, you are the most naive person who ever lived.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i’ve heard of men claiming to identify as a woman, attack and harass women in the ladies room. if you can’t foresee that this could happen, you are the most naive person who ever lived.
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I’ve heard of straight men going into women’s restrooms and attacking them
I’d bet it’s far more common than cross dressing rapists
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i’ve heard of men claiming to identify as a woman, attack and harass women in the ladies room. if you can’t foresee that this could happen, you are the most naive person who ever lived.
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Never heard of it happening. Rarely a man goes into the woman's bathroom but there's nothing stopping them from doing this already.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Have you ever heard of a transgender woman attacking another woman?

is a "transgender woman" a guy that thinks he's a girl or a girl that thinks she's a guy?...I get these confused...or does it just work either way?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

is a "transgender woman" a guy that thinks he's a girl or a girl that thinks she's a guy?...I get these confused...or does it just work either way?

Confusion is typical for you, isn’t it?
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

Have you ever heard of a transgender woman attacking another woman?

Its not about being attacked, its about the fact that it just makes some women feel uncomfortable. And the fact that they aren't comfortable with it is being completely ignored because they are worried about the comfort of a smaller group of people.

Basically the fact that a Trans-gendered woman not feeling comfortable using a restroom with Cis-gendered Males is more important than Cis-gendered women not feeling comfortable using a restroom with a Trans-gendered woman.

Some women don't like male doctors, they just don't feel comfortable with them.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Some women don't like male doctors, they just don't feel comfortable with them.

what is wrong with these women???

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Its not about being attacked, its about the fact that it just makes some women feel uncomfortable. And the fact that they aren't comfortable with it is being completely ignored because they are worried about the comfort of a smaller group of people.

Basically the fact that a Trans-gendered woman not feeling comfortable using a restroom with Cis-gendered Males is more important than Cis-gendered women not feeling comfortable using a restroom with a Trans-gendered woman.

Some women don't like male doctors, they just don't feel comfortable with them.

"And the fact that they aren't comfortable with it is being completely ignored because they are worried about the comfort of a smaller group of people."

A small group, anointed by liberal with victim status. And I don't deny these people have a really tough time fitting in.

"Basically the fact that a Trans-gendered woman not feeling comfortable using a restroom with Cis-gendered Males is more important than Cis-gendered women not feeling comfortable using a restroom with a Trans-gendered woman."

Blech.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

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Some women don't like male doctors, they just don't feel comfortable with them.

Exactly. Exactly, exactly.

[Pete F.]

A little bit on changing how we view restrooms and i think it very directly addresses some people's concerns
Restrooms aren’t normally given prime positions in building planning. “There’s a tendency in architecture where bathrooms get the least thought; you just work by code,” says Cassell. This is a problem on multiple levels and contributes to a lack of interest in their design. Then there are the safety concerns. As Nardella notes, “Usually they end up in the back corner of the building, the least safe part. No one is there to see them, monitor them. We should be asking: How can we make them appear better so we can integrate them into the rest of the building’s public space?” (Many new Chain store designs have the Restrooms in front)
Ultimately, these changes are relatively simple to conceptualize. And while there is value in same-gendered spaces, expanding unisex restrooms offers safety and protection to far more than just transgender people—from the mom who doesn’t want to send her 8-year-old into the men’s room alone to an elderly person who might need a caretaker of the opposite gender’s help when using the facilities. In this way, unisex restrooms address a whole host of demographic changes and design problems.

“This is just better design,” Nardella says. “Better for everyone.”

read the whole article here, it has some layouts and discussion of options
https://qz.com/933704/how-to-design-...ers-feel-safe/

[PaulS]

FYI the bathrooms at the Air France terminal at Charles de Gaulle are all unisex. No one seems to be freaking out or looking under the doors at everyone else.
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[scottw]

great potty talk....you guys are hilarious...impressive urinal knowledge