crickets...

[Nebe]

We live in a #^&#^&#^&#^&ed up world.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Nebe

We live in a #^&#^&#^&#^&ed up world.
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Do not worry. We have strong leadership to give us direction.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Do not worry. We have strong leadership to give us direction.
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It's the GOP's fault?

Conservatives won't budge on gun control. Liberals won't budge on the notion that secular progressive values, are morally superior, to traditional family values.

Our moral compass is badly broken, and from where I sit, much of liberalism contributes to that.

At the same time, it's way too easy to get guns/accessories that nobody needs. From where I sit, conservatism contributes to that.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

it's way too easy to get guns/accessories that nobody needs.

you are getting closer

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

From where I sit

Ted kennedy and Jim are both "moderates"

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Do not worry. We have strong leadership to give us direction.
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The world was #^&#^&#^&#^&ed up long before Trump became President. None of "leaders" were able to un#^&#^&#^&#^& it.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Nebe

We live in a #^&#^&#^&#^&ed up world.
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same as it ever was....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

same as it ever was....

I don't know about that Scott. We didn't see these mass shootings a few decades ago. When my parents were young, many people left their doors unlocked at night. I don't think everything is the same. When I was 9 years old, I left my house at 8 AM, with my bike and my baseball glove, and told my parents I was going out to play, and I'd be home for dinner. They didn't know exactly where I was, but they were confident I was fine. That was common. Today, you'd be an absolute maniac to let a 9 year old have that kind of freedom, it's too dangerous.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I don't know about that Scott. We didn't see these mass shootings a few decades ago. When my parents were young, many people left their doors unlocked at night. I don't think everything is the same. When I was 9 years old, I left my house at 8 AM, with my bike and my baseball glove, and told my parents I was going out to play, and I'd be home for dinner. They didn't know exactly where I was, but they were confident I was fine. That was common. Today, you'd be an absolute maniac to let a 9 year old have that kind of freedom, it's too dangerous.

depends on where you live probably and I don't know that it's that different though the tv constantly tells us how dangerous it is out there...danger around every corner probably

[wdmso]

Trump says Texas shooting is a problem of mental health, not guns
called him a deranged individual,

guy kills 8 with a truck Trump calls him Trump referred to terrorism suspect Sayfullo Saipov as an "animal," and called for "swift justice" instead of regular due process.


and Blames visa program and blames political correctness for not addressing the issue


it is amazing to see to verbal gymnastics and how Consertives see the world and solution's so clearly . if its a Muslim or immigrant

But when Terrorism or Muslim or immigrant cant be used or shown involvement in the incident .. and all they have is white guy with a gun they default to its a Mental heath issue ....

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Trump says Texas shooting is a problem of mental health, not guns
called him a deranged individual,

guy kills 8 with a truck Trump calls him Trump referred to terrorism suspect Sayfullo Saipov as an "animal," and called for "swift justice" instead of regular due process.


and Blames visa program and blames political correctness for not addressing the issue


it is amazing to see to verbal gymnastics and how Consertives see the world and solution's so clearly . if its a Muslim or immigrant

But when Terrorism or Muslim or immigrant cant be used or shown involvement in the incident .. and all they have is white guy with a gun they default to its a Mental heath issue ....

amazing to see how some will try to turn anything and everything into an incident of racism

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

amazing to see how some will try to turn anything and everything into an incident of racism

its a statement of fact solution are provided with great speed and resolve when Terrorism or Muslim or immigrant are present ...

if that equals Racism then thats what it equals

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Trump says Texas shooting is a problem of mental health, not guns
called him a deranged individual,

guy kills 8 with a truck Trump calls him Trump referred to terrorism suspect Sayfullo Saipov as an "animal," and called for "swift justice" instead of regular due process.


and Blames visa program and blames political correctness for not addressing the issue


it is amazing to see to verbal gymnastics and how Consertives see the world and solution's so clearly . if its a Muslim or immigrant

But when Terrorism or Muslim or immigrant cant be used or shown involvement in the incident .. and all they have is white guy with a gun they default to its a Mental heath issue ....

If you don't consider a man who beats his wife and child deranged then how would you describe him? I would condemn him for that action alone. If he can legally obtain a weapon with his track record then the problem is a lack of sensible laws,no doubt the NRA,along with the conservative base are culpable for these generous liberties.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

If you don't consider a man who beats his wife and child deranged then how would you describe him? I would condemn him for that action alone. If he can legally obtain a weapon with his track record then the problem is a lack of sensible laws,no doubt the NRA,along with the conservative base are culpable for these generous liberties.
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The NRA has fought for people like him to own a gun the dont want MH issues a 209A to infringe their 2a rights are they culpable .. to a degree but they dont pass laws .. Gun owners need to be part of the solution or change will happen with out them .. but they wont.. they have all ready found a silver lining 1 guy shot back and saved the day ... sadly 26 people were all ready killed but the'll run with it anyway saying it could have been worse.. Really !!

to me they are both animals and cowards..I dont need to know the why they killed it doesn't change the result

Trump he clearly see's a difference

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

If you don't consider a man who beats his wife and child deranged then how would you describe him? I would condemn him for that action alone. If he can legally obtain a weapon with his track record then the problem is a lack of sensible laws,no doubt the NRA,along with the conservative base are culpable for these generous liberties.
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I read that he was denied an application for guns in Texas. Which is interesting, I presume that's not a place known for being tough to get a gun. I'm curious where he got his sexy "assault rifle".

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

depends on where you live probably and I don't know that it's that different though the tv constantly tells us how dangerous it is out there...danger around every corner probably

We have more knowledge of what goes on now, for sure. But I don't buy that mass shootings took place in the 1950s, but we didn't know because it was only local news. Elementary schools didn't have lockdowns and lessons to kids about not letting strangers touch them. I guess I can't prove it, but I think things are worse. I think things are worse at the bottom. I think the most dangerous ten percent, are worse than they used to be. The breakdown of the nuclear family, not going to church, the internet, it all leads to this.
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[wdmso]

this is how the base see's it on breitbart


The motive will be attributed to mental illness - not as being directed toward Christians. The liberal mainstream media does not like Christianity. This tragedy will be used by the media and the left to further the case for more gun control legislation.



Just another CIA Deep State orchestrated massacre. Reason behind all this escalation in violence leaked http://www.freepressmatters...
(They're trying to make Trump out to be incompetent so he'll step down)

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

The liberal mainstream media does not like Christianity.

You don't think that's true?

When Obama claimed that we "cling" to our religion because we are bitter, and because we are racist, how many media outlets, besides foxnews, called him out?

When was the last time you heard someone in the mainstream media, concede that pro-life folks are pro-life because of empathy for the baby? Because I never hear that. What I hear, is that we are pro-life because we are anti-woman. That's all I hear.