Reasons to support Hillary

[scottw]

pretty close....

Obama: "I’m Barack Obama, running for president and I approve this message."

Announcer: "It’s what’s wrong with politics today. Hillary Clinton will say anything to get elected. Now she’s making false attacks on Barack Obama.

"Hillary Clinton. She’ll say anything, and change nothing. It’s time to turn the page. Paid for by Obama for America."


this is still pretty accurate

[ecduzitgood]

Better get your wallet out...
http://www.redstate.com/laborunionre...care-illegals/
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Accusations is all most have have provided against Hilliary for months

You're replying to my response to hq2 when he said:

"As far as Trump is concerned...in '62 my dad had the car packed to go to a fall out shelter during the Cuban missile crisis. 50% chance we had a nuclear war then. If it were Trump on the trigger, more like 90. Case closed."

When I replied that he had made an accusation but did not make a case, I was referring to his "case closed" comment. If you make an accusation, back it up with actual events not just merely hypothetical postulation.

"Accusations" (if you wish to categorize it that way) against Hillary were references to, and interpretations of, actual events. Cases were made on things that actually happened.

yet you are 1 of the few that have made the case For as to why Trump would be a better Choice (one issue) which is your choice.. I choose not to take a narrow view of the next 4 years

What you claim is my "one issue" is one more politically relevant issue than you have made the case for. But the Supreme Court issue is not the only issue that I have pleaded. I have asked over, and over, in different ways, what form of government do we want, and stated that this election has brought us to a critical point where will be deciding whether we wish to keep what's left of constitutionally limited government or go whole hog into unlimited government. The Supreme Court issue is a part of that, a critical part, but the contest is between Progressivism (unlimited government which grants rights and defines the character of a nation from top down authority) and constitutionalism (defined government limited against trespassing against the unalienable rights of people to define the character of a nation from bottom up authority of the people).

And that is not a "narrow view." That view is about as expansive as a view can get. So far, your view seems to be that Donald Trump is puke, and Hillary is less puke, if at all. That's the only issue that you have made a case for.

yet I clearly understand the Potus is not the issue its congress if either win its congress who will make the difference.. if they choose to do anything

He is unfit just by this statement alone

Donald Trump Says He'll Accept The Results Of The Election ... If He Wins

You've made an accusation. You have not made a case.

[buckman]

The easy answer by Trump would have been , "Yes, I'll abide by the results " . I like how he will double down and stick to his beliefs .
The hypocracy of the media, the Democrats and many in the GOP on this amazes me .
All those that ran against Donald in the primary signed a pledge to support the winner . How did that work out .
Believe me , his stand on this is getting him votes, not losing them.
Besides , everyone with a shred of a brain knows the system has been corrupted.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

I am voting for Hillary because she is the best qualified choice of the 2 in a huge spectrum over Trump

If you care to delineate that huge spectrum, we could debate on it. Otherwise, we conveniently just have to take your word for it. And "qualified" has become a buzzword used to credit or discredit on the basis of personal opinion or group agenda. You might also want to delineate the meaning of "qualified."

you dont hire a plumber to wire your your house

yet some are willing to hire a foul mouth wrecking ball operator to FIX the Washington establishment... because he thinks The Potus can say your Fired !!

There you go with your metaphors again. The first is uninspiring and doesn't "qualify" as a true comparison to electing a President. The second is more passionate and picturesque. But having confidence in the veracity of such a metaphor (or composite of derogatory memes) depends on the confidence one can place on its author's ability to see things clearly and deeply.

My confidence in you being able to create metaphors that truly strike at the heart of an issue has been shaken by so many of your posts. Such as, recalling some off hand, your totally misunderstanding Milo Yannopoulos because you stopped very short of listening to his whole conversation . . . your insistence that a constitutionally guaranteed right against abridgment (the Second Amendment) should have far more restrictions than a constitutionally implied right that is not guaranteed against some restriction (voting) almost that it not be restricted at all . . . your total misunderstanding of Orwell's essay on Nationalism and Patriotism to the point that you didn't see that Nationalism as Orwell described it actually was an indictment of Hillary's Progressivism more than of Trump whom you thought it solely described . . . the total contradiction you unwittingly displayed in one post where you wanted us to listen to the women who were accusing Trump, but in the very same post, the women who were accusing Clinton were to be dismissed (not listened to?) . . . calling O'keefe a "fraud" because of his conviction for the misdemeanor of breaking into Landrieu's office (to which he admitted) when no fraud was committed, if anything it was an attempt to gather truth . . . blaming Trump's rhetoric for the violence and disorder at his rallies, but railing against exposing the plot by Clinton operatives to disrupt those rallies--you support the meme that Trump rhetoric instigates violence but dismiss the truth that much was caused by Clintonites . . . your inability to understand that "interpreting" the Constitution on personal desires for outcomes rather than adhering to constitutional text (the law) is actually rewriting, destroying, the Constitution, not supporting or defending it as is the oath of a Judge to so do, which also casts some subliminal, unconscious, or at best ignorant "fraud" on your own taking of the oath . . . your dismissing the evidence provided by WikiLeaks because of the way it was achieved--killing the messenger syndrome--might work in civil court on statutory grounds, but unconscionable in deciding "qualification" . . . and yet being all shocked by Trumps old disgusting, vulgar words to one person, but not by those who actually exposed and plastered those words in public sight so that all of us could be disgusted, including our sons and daughters to hear words that we would rather they didn't--the messenger is exonerated in that case) . . . your total inability to see comparison's between Hillary's enabling of Bill Cinton's sexual behaviors (which reputedly were more egregious and forced than Trump's) and Trump's behaviors, and the hypocrisy of Hillary being the champion of women's "rights" vs Trump's supposed misogyny . . . and a puzzling, if not stupefying, one, your claim that Trump's comment about voting even if terminally ill was "odd." And nothing more than that--just odd. And, as in the Yannopoulos and Orwell cases, you didn't read or know about the rest--Trump's comment that he was just kidding. And when that was pointed out, you continued to try to paint Trump's comment as some kind of undefinable oddity. You didn't even respond to my example of how it could be compassionate rather than odd. Afterwards, it brought to mind an incident I had some time ago.

While waiting in the checkout line of a grocery store, the woman in front of me and I struck up a conversation. She was there with her husband, who remained a bit glumly silent throughout it. I don't remember how it started. But as it turned out, she was terminally ill with cancer. She was still fairly young, maybe in her thirties and a lot of life that she could have looked forward to if she didn't have the cancer. It was very evident that she was afraid and separated from the life around her because of her illness.

I don't remember how it came to me to say to her that I was also terminal. Her eyes lit up, and for that brief time she shined out of her own emotionally outcast sorrow to, in an upbeat if not hopeful tone, ask me if I had cancer too. I said no, but that we are all terminal, eventually. She laughed and said I had made her day. Her husband was quiet, distant from our conversation, and they left, she with a smiling glance at me as they departed with a full basket of groceries.

I'll never forget that brief encounter. And I'll always remember how her connection with someone, and thereby with everyone, at least momentarily, not only gave her comfort, but enough meaning for the rest of the day, so that she could shop for groceries or do any of the other normal stuff to fill her brief remaining existence.

What is so odd about including a terminally ill person in the normal things that existence is made of? Should we put them aside, disconnected with life, insist that they should not trouble themselves with involvement in our daily living? For certain, we should love them and show them that love, perhaps even more than we would if they were not ill. But wouldn't it also be a comfort to them if they were encouraged to join the rest of us in doing what we normally do. Wouldn't it be a comfort to be a part of humanity rather than a pampered outcast, ultimately alone in knowing they will soon be dead?

Yeah, I have reason not to trust your metaphors.

[Got Stripers]

If Trump gets in, might be more than stains on a blue dress. He might not be the "white Bill Cosby" of corporate America (very long line ahead of him I'm sure), but clearly he has alienated a large majority of the women voters. Both fit the statement, power corrupts absolutely.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

If Trump gets in, might be more than stains on a blue dress. He might not be the "white Bill Cosby" of corporate America (very long line ahead of him I'm sure), but clearly he has alienated a large majority of the women voters. Both fit the statement, power corrupts absolutely.
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Yeah, but if he gets in, and has to step down, Pence would be President. In my view, a better outcome than if power hungry therefor absolutely corrupted person gets in.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

but clearly he (Trump) has alienated a large majority of the women voters. Both fit the statement, power corrupts absolutely.
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Why hasn't Bill Clinton alienated at least as many women voters? By what logic does a liberal still support Bill Clinton (he remains enormously popular with liberals) and bash Trump for his treatment of women?

Hilary, for decades, has enabled her husband's predation, denied that it existed, and attacked the character of his victims, referring top them as "looney tunes", "bimbo", and "trailer trash".

I don't see how the party that worships at the feet of the Kennedys and the Clintons, has the chutzpah to claim the moral high ground on feminism. What kind of feminist, exactly, marries Bill Clinton?

Unless someone can explain to me why Bill deserves a pass while Trump is labeled sexist, I will chalk it up to one (of many) example of liberal hypocrisy, made possible by their partners in the media.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Why hasn't Bill Clinton alienated at least as many women voters?

because they don't care what the Clinton's did to women...you remember all of the nonsense....constantly move the goal post...that's what the left does....if Hillary was accused of some sexual assault or issue and Trump was accused of some email security/scandal....the media would be freaking about Trump's disqualification on the basis whatever the evidence was and they'd be telling us Hillary's sexual issues are irrelevant and they'd assist in attacking any accusers...it's the essence of leftism...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

it's the essence of leftism...

Yep Hypocrisy and intellectual dishonesty...

[ecduzitgood]

Shouldn't a presidential candidate at least wear a US flag pin to show their support for our country. This video is entertaining in some of the points it makes.

https://youtu.be/ewRk6QBWpLU
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[ecduzitgood]

The wrecking ball label is more appropriately applied to Hillary who will appoint supreme court justices that will destroy the freedom the Constitution currently gives the citizens. This election goes far beyond the next 4 to 8 years in regards to the potential effect on our freedoms. Trump, while not being the most eloquent of speakers does at least have the intention to try and make changes that many people or more specifically citizens find attractive. He wants term limits for legislators, actual enforcement of our immigration laws, slowing the flow of Syrian refugees (many of whom strongly oppose our way of life and liberty, we are after all infidels in their system of belief).
Here is a link to see some of his intentions.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/issues
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[Got Stripers]

As I said this is the race from hell and for the first time I voted early today, but didn't cast my vote for president; which is a sad commentary on this election.

Thought I'd share an interesting Trump story, which was relayed to me by a Hilton exec I happened to join today at Pine Hills for a round of golf today, with a couple of his other retired buddies. He was sitting in at a corporate meeting Trump and his daughter had in Europe involving golf with Hilton execs part of the development. In this meeting Dad didn't like what Ivanka was saying and he turned to her and told her to shut your mouth C**t. Can't imagine saying that to my daughter, my mother, my girlfriend, a friends bitch of a wife or even my X-wife. That is the absolute worst four letter insult as a man you can say to any woman.

I've never been so concerned about where this country is going after a presidential election than I am at this point.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

As I said this is the race from hell and for the first time I voted early today, but didn't cast my vote for president; which is a sad commentary on this election.

Thought I'd share an interesting Trump story, which was relayed to me by a Hilton exec I happened to join today at Pine Hills for a round of golf today, with a couple of his other retired buddies. He was sitting in at a corporate meeting Trump and his daughter had in Europe involving golf with Hilton execs part of the development. In this meeting Dad didn't like what Ivanka was saying and he turned to her and told her to shut your mouth C**t. Can't imagine saying that to my daughter, my mother, my girlfriend, a friends bitch of a wife or even my X-wife. That is the absolute worst four letter insult as a man you can say to any woman.

I've never been so concerned about where this country is going after a presidential election than I am at this point.

Hilton being a competitor of Trump might have something to do with this . I find this story appalling and probably not true
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Can't imagine saying that to my daughter, my mother, my girlfriend, a friends bitch of a wife or even my X-wife. That is the absolute worst four letter insult as a man you can say to any woman.

You should come around more often. IT has been used here. Members here also use it on FB.

I'm sure they are good parents though.

[scottw]

Spence and Huma disappeared right around the same time....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

Spence and Huma disappeared right around the same time....

I think Spence launched a one-man jihad against Julian Assange.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

You should come around more often. IT has been used here. Members here also use it on FB.

I'm sure they are good parents though.

I never realized that having a potty mouth disqualified a person from being a good parent.

#^&#^&#^&#^&....my kids are screwed then.

I know LeBron says nobody uses that kind of language....

[scottw]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I never realized that having a potty mouth disqualified a person from being a good parent.

...

only if you are a republican

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I never realized that having a potty mouth disqualified a person from being a good parent.

#^&#^&#^&#^&....my kids are screwed then.

I know LeBron says nobody uses that kind of language....

I thought you said you recognized sarcasm?

[buckman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

You should come around more often. IT has been used here. Members here also use it on FB.

I'm sure they are good parents though.

I've heard reliable reports of Hillary using the male equivalent many times but that's ok
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by buckman

I've heard reliable reports of Hillary using the male equivalent many times but that's ok
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depends on what the meaning of the word "using" is......

[Raider Ronnie]

Originally Posted by buckman

I've heard reliable reports of Hillary using the male equivalent many times but that's ok
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My next door neighbor is good friends with a auto repair shop in NY, where the Clintons have their compound. They get secret service vehicles in all the time.
He's told me plenty of stories of Hillary and how she talks to and treats secret service.
They can't stand her !!!
She talks far worse than any guy !!!
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

You should come around more often. IT has been used here. Members here also use it on FB.

I'm sure they are good parents though.

Directed at me presumably.

I concede it is the ugliest word you can direct at a woman. Which is exactly why I use it very rarely, but use it gleefully, to describe Hillary. I wasn't aware that using vile vocabulary to describe a vile person, means I'm not a good dad. But you have a right to that opinion, wrong-headed as it may be.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by PaulS

You should come around more often. IT has been used here. Members here also use it on FB.

I'm sure they are good parents though.

Wow I guess you and I have two very different views of what respectful treatment of you children entails; calling my daughter a c**t in a meeting to shut her the f up isn't one of them.

I also have to say, what a hoot it was seeing Melania's speach, basically describing her husband to a "T" as to what is wrong with the way people treat each other in this country, just so ironic.

Again, sad I can't vote for either on of this nuts, one I can't trust to bankcrupt us and the other I can't trust to bring us to the brink of a major war.

[scottw]

it's a sad state....

think of it this way...

trump being trump is trump making obnoxious/offensive statements

hillary being hillary is hillary(and bill as we were told they were co-presidents the first time around and there is no reason that should change) plundering government and commiting crimes

regarding obnoxious/offensive statements...in many cases we're told we're just supposed to live with it...Obama was trying to link Trump with the KKK in front of black audiences yesterday...that's both obnoxious and offensive and on tape....Jay Z dropped about a million n-bombs at a hillary rally yesterday....that's also pretty offensive

if you listened to a few of the songs my oldest daughter listens to on a regular basis..trump might sound pretty hip

however...we have a highly politicized 'justice department' running interference for the clinton crime syndicate....that will not change if she is elected, in fact, knowing the clintons...they'll be emboldened....the corruption of the government cannot continue if we are to function as a nation but certainly will if she wins

[Got Stripers]

Doubt it, I'm a pretty good judge of character and this story was a real accounting. But remember if she weren't his daughter, he'd do her, so not much of a stretch for him.
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