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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

No thats the truth not fear mongering Conservatives are afraid of everything and everyone or have we not been paying attention ?

PS smart people can be morons.. cruz's statement is more than enough to make my point .. for a legal guy he has no issues doing illegal things like locking down Muslim neighborhood out of fear
The CBS hosts pressed Cruz on how he thinks it would logistically work to patrol 3 million American Muslims, who are not, as Cruz suggested, “ghetto-ized” in festering radical communities.

Cruz admitted, when asked by co-host Norah O’Donnell that he didn’t know how many Muslims lived in the United States.

“So you’re saying that law enforcement should surveil a number of Muslims and you don’t even know how many Muslims are in America,” she said.

Please note I am not saying this isn't a concern (terrorism) But it is Far from the 1# most dangerous issue America faces Unless your a Conservative a party where you can get Terrorism Immigration and weak Military and for additional introductory offer you can throw in for free Gun grabber Gay marriage or losing religious freedoms abortion or Planned parenthood>>> its like a comcast bundle all BS makes you feel like you got something

"No thats the truth not fear mongering Conservatives are afraid of everything and everyone or have we not been paying attention ?"

Yes, John McCain and Mitt Romney were a couple of hatemongers, while Obama the uniter has been mentored by tolerant love-filled folks such as Rev Wright and Bill Ayers.

Who are we afraid of, besides jihadists, exactly?

[Nebe]

Psssst. Since 9-11 happened the largest mass killings in the USA came from members of what religion ? Think hard now and leave towels around where you are sitting for when your brain explodes
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Psssst. Since 9-11 happened the largest mass killings in the USA came from members of what religion ? Think hard now and leave towels around where you are sitting for when your brain explodes
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is this another fun fact you got from whackjob.com?

[Nebe]

Grab your towels.
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[Nebe]

This one focuses on US mass shootings. In Europe all you have to do is know about the white supremest that killed hundreds at that youth summer camp on an island.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/06/25...?referer=&_r=0
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[buckman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

This one focuses on US mass shootings. In Europe all you have to do is know about the white supremest that killed hundreds at that youth summer camp on an island.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/06/25...?referer=&_r=0
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48 since 9/11 , hardly a trend .
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[Nebe]

Originally Posted by buckman

48 since 9/11 , hardly a trend .
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Id call any period over 10 years a trend
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[Nebe]

Cruz is not a moron. The moron is the person who thinks he can trust him.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Cruz is not a moron. The moron is the person who thinks he can trust him.
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Right. But it's un-moronic to trust the guy who promises free college, free world-class healthcare, and a unicorn in every backyard.

[Nebe]

I trust Bernie a hell of a lot more than Cruz. Yes.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Nebe

I trust Bernie a hell of a lot more than Cruz. Yes.
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Trust him to do what? Promote a socialist form of government? I would trust Bernie a lot more to promote socialism than I would trust Cruz to do so.

Originally Posted by Nebe

Follow the campaign donations and you will see where all loyalty goes.
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Cruz's campaign donors are far more diverse than Bernie's. So I would think that Cruz has a wider scope of loyalty and more people that he would be loyal to than Bernie.

[Nebe]

Follow the campaign donations and you will see where all loyalty goes.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Follow the campaign donations and you will see where all loyalty goes.
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All of Bernie's big donors are labor unions. Labor unions have done more than their fair share of damage to our economic/political landscape in the last 50 years. Here in CT, we see what happens when the politicians are beholden to labor unbions, and it ain't good.

[Nebe]

diverse in what way? Income range of evangelical tea party members ?
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Nebe

diverse in what way? Income range of evangelical tea party members ?
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Diverse as in "diverse." Yea, that includes evangelicals. And small business owners, and Tea Partiers, and bigger businesses, and Constitutionalists, and small government types, and libertarians, and some rich folks, and many average folks.

I understand that you think "freedom" is a buzzword of fools. I suspect that Bernie supporters would agree with you. Maybe the range of diversity for either Cruz or Sanders can be compressed into "freedom" fools on the one hand, and socialist lap dogs on the other.

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by spence

The US takes in around 100,000 refugees a year already and many are Muslim. Those potentially coming from Syria don't get to choose which country they're sent to and go through a long vetting process. If your intent was to harm America it wouldn't be a very prudent path to take.

What really scares the hell out of me is that the top two GOP candidates are calling for the US to scrutinize people because of their religion.

Originally Posted by spence

Great, let's put all the Muslim police, business professionals, military and doctors under surveillance...it's about the religion right?

Two of these guys appear to be known criminals both in Brussles. Issues here run much deeper than your whitewashing Islam as the problem.

Funny how I don't hear the intelligence community or law enforcement calling for religious bigotry, they want cooperation and intelligence.

your opinion of what is or is not prudent is of no concern of these terrorists, they flew planes into buildings but you are scared of candidates suggesting preventative measures. This is America, when threatened, we defend, that is what we do, this president won't go on offense apparently, he won't even say the words radical Islamic.

There is smart and then there is stupid


did you read about this poor guy? Members of Islam want to kill you too
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016...-happy-easter/

[spence]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

your opinion of what is or is not prudent is of no concern of these terrorists, they flew planes into buildings but you are scared of candidates suggesting preventative measures. This is America, when threatened, we defend, that is what we do, this president won't go on offense apparently, he won't even say the words radical Islamic.

Nobody, including Obama, is stating we don't defend ourselves. The difference is simply that Obama's policy has an appreciation for the real root-cause drivers of the terror problem. A big piece of this is how disillusionment feeds the radicalization engine.

ISIS was begging the US to invade a few years ago. Had we done so the situation today would likely be 100x worse than it is. There's a reason we're not carpet bombing as Ted Cruz promises to do, because it would turn the entire population against us leave millions without any infrastructure in which to live.

The big pieces of this puzzle have been slowly moving in place for a century, there's no simple or quick solution. I'd note that over the past year ISIS leadership and their territory are both shrinking...

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

Nobody, including Obama, is stating we don't defend ourselves. The difference is simply that Obama's policy has an appreciation for the real root-cause drivers of the terror problem. A big piece of this is how disillusionment feeds the radicalization engine.

ISIS was begging the US to invade a few years ago. Had we done so the situation today would likely be 100x worse than it is. There's a reason we're not carpet bombing as Ted Cruz promises to do, because it would turn the entire population against us leave millions without any infrastructure in which to live.

The big pieces of this puzzle have been slowly moving in place for a century, there's no simple or quick solution. I'd note that over the past year ISIS leadership and their territory are both shrinking...

A result of this thoughtful approach is the refugee crisis and thousands slaughtered . Once again you blindly follow the script put fourth by an appeaser not a leader .
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Nobody, including Obama, is stating we don't defend ourselves. The difference is simply that Obama's policy has an appreciation for the real root-cause drivers of the terror problem.

"The difference is simply that Obama's policy has an appreciation for the real root-cause drivers of the terror problem"

And how is Obama's policy working out? Is the Middle East more stable, or less stable, than it was 7 years ago?

"I'd note that over the past year ISIS leadership and their territory are both shrinking"

And I'm certain that comes as great comfort to the families of the victims in Belgium and France.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

The difference is simply that Obama's policy has an appreciation for the real root-cause drivers of the terror problem. A big piece of this is how disillusionment feeds the radicalization engine.

"So, we blame ourselves in order to remain blameless. Safer to blame our own societies and socioeconomic conditions than to blame the religious and cultural concepts with which terrorists poison their own minds."

http://www.politico.eu/article/bruss...airport-metro/

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

diverse in what way? Income range of evangelical tea party members ?
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Bigot
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[Nebe]

You're wrong. I view campaign contributions and super pace as legalized corruption.
Look at Cruz's view on climate change. Look at who some of his donors are...energy companies. Hmmmm
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[buckman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

You're wrong. I view campaign contributions and super pace as legalized corruption.
Look at Cruz's view on climate change. Look at who some of his donors are...energy companies. Hmmmm
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Another sign of how brilliant he is .
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

You're wrong. I view campaign contributions and super pace as legalized corruption.
Look at Cruz's view on climate change. Look at who some of his donors are...energy companies. Hmmmm
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So according to you...if energy companies give hige $$ to Ted Cruz, that's bad. But if teschers unions give huge $$ to Bernie Sanders, that's no cause for alarm?

Because again, here in CT, God knows there is no downside to the fact that labor unions own most of the Dems in charge!

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Nebe

You're wrong. I view campaign contributions and super pace as legalized corruption.
Look at Cruz's view on climate change. Look at who some of his donors are...energy companies. Hmmmm
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Are campaign contributions to Sanders legalized corruption?

And what is the meaning of "corruption" to you? Is corruption something that hurts your point of view or your desired outcome?

So Cruz is not convinced that climate change is fueled by what you think. Does that make him corrupt. Oh, that's right, it makes him a fool. That's really egalitarian and democratic of you. He doesn't seem to be in the tank for energy companies. He wasn't afraid to oppose ethanol even when running in ethanol rich Iowa (and won there). And he is not against alternative energy. Here's an excerpt from a CNN article where he "does support alternative energy, as long as it comes from the private sector, not the federal government."

"We ought to be allowing the private sector to pursue every form of energy because the energy of the future, it's not going to come from the government picking winners and losers," Cruz told CNN.

"We ought to open up energy innovation across the board and - and remove the barriers to every form of energy."

You seem to favor the authoritarian view of statists that government is the agent who gets to dot all the i's and cross all the t's. That definitely is the socialist way.

BTW, Trump, according to your view on campaign contributions, is the least "corrupt" in that respect. And he is not beholden to energy companies or any other filthy rich bad people. And his supporters are also more diverse than Bernie's. Of course, according to you, I would guess, Trump and his supporters are also fools.

But Sanders is all pure, and trustworthy, and will make things better for all of us. Except not for the fools.

[Sea Dangles]

So Belgium has an open border and want to give religious freedoms to all. How did that work out? There are parts of Brussels that the police do not patrol or control,fearing for their safety. How do you fix this mess without profiling and bigotry and racism? Who would not start by keeping an eye on the Muslim community? Is it unconstitutional to target those who are passionate about their religion? If a horse has stripes it is usually a zebra.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

There are parts of Brussels that the police do not patrol or control,fearing for their safety. How do you fix this mess without profiling and bigotry and racism?

Specifically where?

[Sea Dangles]

Do you mean what street?
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Do you mean what street?
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Anything to substantiate your assertion is fine.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Anything to substantiate your assertion is fine.

Spence, in a general sense, how would you address this? By asking them nicely to stop? By apologizing for everything we did to instigate them? By refusing to concede that 99% of the terrorists are confined to a common set of religious beliefs?

In world history, there have been a small number of situations, where a small number of lunatics wanted to enslave and/or kill everyone else. I don't know that appeasement has ever worked. In the end, it's bullets and bombs that work. I don't like that any more that you do, I just concede the necessity. You will do teh same, only after a sufficient number of innocent people have been slaughtered on the altar of political correctness.

Your intellectual bankruptcy is beyond imagination.