House to vote on impeachment

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

moving the goalposts. i was responding to your laughable comment that lawyers don’t proceed with a case unless they feel they have a good case. they’re a group that’s well known for
being motivated
by money and political ambition.
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Is your position that prosecutions in the USA occur largely for political reasons and are not governed by the rule of law?

[Sea Dangles]

I feel you may be too invested here PeteF. The stupid is flowing at a rapid pace with little to show for it.
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[Pete F.]

We are moving to the point where the election will de the authoritarians vs the Democrats.
Many people say that if Floridaman wins he will rename his party
The Trump Party 🥌
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[ReelinRod]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

We are moving to the point where the election will de the authoritarians vs the Democrats.

Correct, on the Democrat side it will be a primary pitting rights eliminating statist authoritarians against the few reasonable Democrats cowering in the corner fearing for their lives.

The general election will simply be a choice between load your enemies in cattle cars communism and not communism yet.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by ReelinRod

Correct, on the Democrat side it will be a primary pitting rights eliminating statist authoritarians against the few reasonable Democrats cowering in the corner fearing for their lives.

The general election will simply be a choice between load your enemies in cattle cars communism and not communism yet.

Take another hit on that pipe

Authoritarians have hidden in many ideologies but most have been populists like Floridaman
Believe only me, not your eyes or ears
The media is fake
It is us against.....,,,
Label your enemies

Keep believing
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[ReelinRod]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Authoritarians have hidden in many ideologies

No laws for some, authoritarianism for others.

The leftist way.

https://denver.cbslocal.com/2019/11/...reet-business/

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by ReelinRod

No laws for some, authoritarianism for others.

The leftist way.

https://denver.cbslocal.com/2019/11/...reet-business/

Quite comical to claim as a Trumplican that the rule of law matters and people #^&#^&#^&#^&ting in the street is a sure indicator of the failure of Democrats
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[Pete F.]

Floridaman thinks he's creating a diversion by having Erdogan at the WH for a presser this afternoon.
He’s wrong. Erdogan is the enemy of the U.S. and Floridaman allowed him to slaughter Kurd families.
He's just giving Senators on the fence cover to jump it.
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[wdmso]

Next phase Republicans move into character assasination
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[Pete F.]

Sources say this is going so poorly for House Republicans that after a break Nunes is going to bring in Brett Kavanaugh to scream at everyone.

[scottw]

I hope these continue for a long time...dummycraps look dumber than they did during Kavanaugh...I would not have though that possible...hope they find a rape train witness or something to save this mess for them...will schiff ever learn who the whistleblower is???

[PaulS]

I did get a laugh when White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham said President Trump not watching the impeachment hearings but was working.

2 lies in one sentence is pretty impressive, even for members of this cabinet.

[scottw]

they need to stop putting schif on camera...America's children will be having nightmares

[Pete F.]

Q: In your decades of military service and diplomatic service representing the U.S. around the world, have you ever seen another example of foreign aid conditioned on the personal or political interests of the President of the United States?

Ambassador Taylor: No ... I have not.
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[ReelinRod]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Q: In your decades of military service and diplomatic service representing the U.S. around the world, have you ever seen another example of foreign aid conditioned on the personal or political interests of the President of the United States?

Ambassador Taylor: No ... I have not.

And truthfully still haven't, your question is predicated on a conclusion that has only come being though multiple layers of other people's impressions of how they felt about what they heard other people supposedly said . . .

Originally Posted by Pete F.

"You described in your text message exchanges that engaging in a scheme like this is 'crazy.' Can we also agree that it's just wrong?

TAYLOR: "Yes...holding up of security assistance...for no good policy reason...no good national security reason, is wrong."

Let me rephrase for the sake of facts and truth, IF it happened it would be wrong . . .

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by ReelinRod

And truthfully still haven't, your question is predicated on a conclusion that has only come being though multiple layers of other people's impressions of how they felt about what they heard other people supposedly said . . .

Let me rephrase for the sake of facts and truth, IF it happened it would be wrong . . .

Perhaps there are witnesses who should or could testify with first hand knowledge
Bolton
Mulvaney
Giuliani
Trump
Sounds like Sondland has splaining to do also about his phone call with Trump, though it seems it was on a non secure phone and is now just one more thing Putin has on his Puppet.

Gym Jordans defense strategy (currently) is that asking Zelensky to investigate the Bidens/2016 elections was a “corruption test,” which he “passed” by not doing.
Was this part of The Stable Genius’s plan or did the Nunes/Jordan brain trust put their combined mind to work on that.

Because by claiming this they admit that asking them to investigate was corrupt, and that aid was withheld bc of it.
Not the sharpest tools in the shed

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[ReelinRod]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Perhaps there are witnesses who should or could testify with first hand knowledge

Bolton
Mulvaney
Giuliani
Trump

Perhaps indeed!
About as much chance as Ciaramella appearing. . .

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Sounds like Sondland has splaining to do also about his phone call with Trump,

Sure does, it might be nice to finally hear someone, under oath, directly quoting the President instead of third-hand Presidential mind-reading, assigning Trump all manner of motivations and purposes.

Short of that I guess Sondland will keep with the program with his "testimony" and offer what his impression was of what his aide's impression was of what Trump's intentions were on the phone conversation the aide overheard and relayed to Taylor.

Originally Posted by Pete F.

though it seems it was on a non secure phone and is now just one more thing Putin has on his Puppet.

SMH, what compels you to write such stupid crap? What makes you think the US Ambassador to the European Union wouldn't possess a secure phone and/or the line he was speaking on with the President wasn't secure?

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Gym Jordans defense strategy (currently) is that asking Zelensky to investigate the Bidens/2016 elections was a “corruption test,” which he “passed” by not doing.
Was this part of The Stable Genius’s plan or did the Nunes/Jordan brain trust put their combined mind to work on that.

Because by claiming this they admit that asking them to investigate was corrupt, and that aid was withheld bc of it.
Not the sharpest tools in the shed

That probably made sense to you and sounded like, really compelling when you wrote it.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by ReelinRod

Perhaps indeed!
About as much chance as Ciaramella appearing. . .



Sure does, it might be nice to finally hear someone, under oath, directly quoting the President instead of third-hand Presidential mind-reading, assigning Trump all manner of motivations and purposes.

Perhaps members of the Floridaman cabinet could testify instead of blatantly obstructing the investigation

Short of that I guess Sondland will keep with the program with his "testimony" and offer what his impression was of what his aide's impression was of what Trump's intentions were on the phone conversation the aide overheard and relayed to Taylor.
That was Sondland not his aide on the phone with Floridaman


SMH, what compels you to write such stupid crap? What makes you think the US Ambassador to the European Union wouldn't possess a secure phone and/or the line he was speaking on with the President wasn't secure?

Perhaps Sondland can answer that
His unsecured phone use concerned other witnesses, but Putin already knows what he told Floridaman to do

That probably made sense to you and sounded like, really compelling when you wrote it.

Much like your Trumplican baloney tastes to you
Keep telling yourself bull#^&#^&#^&#^& is tasty
You could get a position directly behind Floridaman with your nose up his but, but you’ll have to fight Nunes, Jordan and Ratman for position
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[Pete F.]

"You described in your text message exchanges that engaging in a scheme like this is 'crazy.' Can we also agree that it's just wrong?

TAYLOR: "Yes...holding up of security assistance...for no good policy reason...no good national security reason, is wrong."
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[Pete F.]

Welcome to the land of Floridaman aka Bizzaro world, where we see Republicans attempt to make career civil servants & war heroes the bad guys in defense of a life-long liberal, draft-dodging conman, and only Democrats stand up and defend our national security & the rule of law.

[wdmso]

Saw a ton of but but Obama..

To funny they want the whistleblower to be subpoenaed.

Yet anyone with 1st hand knowledge have refused to appear if after being subpoenaed... LOL

Guess Republicans have never heard of Commanders intent, and how it works..
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[Sea Dangles]

🍺🍔
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[Sea Dangles]

Only a very sharp tool can relay that info PeteF.

🤡🍔
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[Pete F.]

Just think if Rudy Giuliani, Mick Mulvaney, Rick Perry and others had anything to say that would help Trump in his impeachment battle, Trump would personally drive them to the hearing to testify. The fact that Trump ordered all of them NOT to testify proves he’s afraid of what they’d say.
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[ReelinRod]

After today, I guess that's the best you can hope for.

[Pete F.]

And this was before the Floridaman’s idiots spoke today
Poll: Almost 50 percent of Americans in battleground states support impeaching and removing Trump
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[ReelinRod]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Poll: Almost 50 percent of Americans in battleground states support impeaching and removing Trump

I'm surprised it isn't higher given the 90+% negative media coverage of Trump.

It's even worse on social media. Over half of my FB friends are loyal robotic Democrat union members, fellow building trades guys and family has teachers and nurses and the political stuff they share is 110% liberal narrative Occupy Democrats negative.

Quite a few are posting that today was a huge victory for the Democrats; I know they worked today without much if any chance to actually watch. It's clear they are parroting what they are hearing on media or scrolling over in their feeds. I have no question how they would answer your poll question but I know they would be unable to answer the most basic civics or political questions I would ask them.

I'm retired, I watched all but a few minutes.

[Pete F.]

Just a little logic and it becomes obvious why he’s Floridaman

Has any GOP member explained why — if as Jim Jordan says Ukraine is “one of the three most corrupt countries on the planet” — Trump trusted them to investigate two U.S. citizens for...corruption?
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[ReelinRod]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Just a little logic and it becomes obvious why he’s Floridaman

Has any GOP member explained why — if as Jim Jordan says Ukraine is “one of the three most corrupt countries on the planet” — Trump trusted them to investigate two U.S. citizens for...corruption?
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Perhaps you should direct your question to George Kent who testified that he had complete confidence in the Zelenskyy government now.

Kent also said he would love to see complete investigations begun by the Zelenskyy government into Burisma's theft and the corruption of former Ukraine officials -- Officials, including prosecutors, who were bought off to end the earlier investigation and allow all that money (some provided by the USA) to vanish.

"George Kent, deputy assistant secretary at the State Department, said he believed alleged corruption related to Ukrainian gas company Burisma should be investigated, a point Republicans have emphasized in their defense of President Donald Trump.

“To summarize, we thought that Mykola Zlochevsky had stolen money,” Kent said of the oligarch head of Burisma. “We thought a prosecutor had taken a bribe to shut the case, those were our main concerns."

“Are you in favor of that matter being fully investigated and prosecuted?” asked Steve Castor, Republicans' counsel on the House Intelligence Committee.

“I think since U.S. taxpayer dollars were wasted, I would love to see the Ukrainian prosecutor’s office find out who the corrupt prosecutor was and who took the bribe, and how much was paid, and that’s what I told the deputy prosecutor general on February 3, 2015,” Kent replied.

When asked if he thought individuals or organizations responsible for the bribes should be prosecuted, Kent replied, "I agree that the Ukrainian law authorities should uphold the rule of law and hold people accountable for breaking Ukrainian law.""

https://www.coloradoan.com/story/new...ed/4180372002/

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by ReelinRod

Perhaps you should direct your question to George Kent who testified that he had complete confidence in the Zelenskyy government now.

Kent also said he would love to see complete investigations begun by the Zelenskyy government into Burisma's theft and the corruption of former Ukraine officials -- Officials, including prosecutors, who were bought off to end the earlier investigation and allow all that money (some provided by the USA) to vanish.

"George Kent, deputy assistant secretary at the State Department, said he believed alleged corruption related to Ukrainian gas company Burisma should be investigated, a point Republicans have emphasized in their defense of President Donald Trump.

“To summarize, we thought that Mykola Zlochevsky had stolen money,” Kent said of the oligarch head of Burisma. “We thought a prosecutor had taken a bribe to shut the case, those were our main concerns."

“Are you in favor of that matter being fully investigated and prosecuted?” asked Steve Castor, Republicans' counsel on the House Intelligence Committee.

“I think since U.S. taxpayer dollars were wasted, I would love to see the Ukrainian prosecutor’s office find out who the corrupt prosecutor was and who took the bribe, and how much was paid, and that’s what I told the deputy prosecutor general on February 3, 2015,” Kent replied.

When asked if he thought individuals or organizations responsible for the bribes should be prosecuted, Kent replied, "I agree that the Ukrainian law authorities should uphold the rule of law and hold people accountable for breaking Ukrainian law.""

https://www.coloradoan.com/story/new...ed/4180372002/

I watched the hearing and have yet to see an official transcript, but when Kent was asked that question he qualified his answer quite carefully and did not say he had "complete confidence"

There was also another line of questioning about the timeline of Biden, Burisma and investigations that I don't have time to look up on video.

Some other things Kent said:

“It was unexpected, and most unfortunate, to watch some Americans — including those who allied themselves with corrupt Ukrainians in pursuit of private agendas — launch attacks on dedicated public servants advancing U.S. interests in Ukraine,” he said.

"You can't promote principled anti-corruption action without pissing off corrupt people."

“To your knowledge, is there any factual basis to support the allegation that Ukraine interfered in the 2016 election?” Goldman asked, to which Kent replied, “To my knowledge, there is no factual basis, no. … I think it’s amply clear that Russian interference was at the heart of the interference.”



Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Michael Carpenter also had some applicable comments:

"What strikes me about President Trump‘s efforts to smear Vice President Biden and spread a pro-Russian conspiracy theory about the 2016 election is both the degree to which Trump was willing to abuse the office of the presidency to achieve his aims, but also the types of people he and Rudy Giuliani enlisted in their effort. Partnering with henchmen like Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman is bad enough. But look closely at who Trump and Giuliani worked with in Ukraine. Viktor Shokin, Konstantin Kulyk, Yuri Lutsenko, and Dmytro Firtash are all associated with major corruption scandals. In other words, President Trump and his lawyer enlisted the most corrupt Ukrainian oligarchs and officials to carry out their scheme of pressuring the Ukrainian President. Rather than helping Zelensky to fight corruption, they dragged him into their own corruption scandal."