Gun Owners.. Ball is in your court

[tysdad115]

Originally Posted by Nebe

I'm sorry if I'm sounding like a #^&#^&#^&#^& but what grinds my gears is anyone who thinks what they believe would be better for someone else.
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Spot on, and if you don't happen to agree with their view your either racist or insensitive.

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by spence

This is the most illogical thing I think I've read on this site…and that counts all Jim's posts...

If you really believe what you just said, then you are a lost cause for sure.

How is it illogical?

Do you think the existence of guns make some people into mass murderers?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

How is it illogical?

If criminals don't care about laws why do people argue the death penalty is a deterrent?

If 50+% of gun deaths are non-assisted suicides, and there's no specific law prohibiting it, how are these people criminals?

And finally, what's a more effective weapon to inflict mass casualties, a knife or a gun?

It's moot now anyway, Jim's comment about North Dakota just put him back in first place

Do you think the existence of guns make some people into mass murderers?

On their own no, but look at this most recent shooting and it's looking quite likely that the family attitude toward guns was a factor.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

If criminals don't care about laws why do people argue the death penalty is a deterrent?

If 50+% of gun deaths are non-assisted suicides, and there's no specific law prohibiting it, how are these people criminals?

And finally, what's a more effective weapon to inflict mass casualties, a knife or a gun?

It's moot now anyway, Jim's comment about North Dakota just put him back in first place


On their own no, but look at this most recent shooting and it's looking quite likely that the family attitude toward guns was a factor.

"Jim's comment about North Dakota just put him back in first place "

Can you be specific? Some folks here seem to think that tighter gun restrictipons will reduce gun violence. I said that the statistics of gun crime and gun ownership seem to contradict that, especially when you compare places like DC/Chicago to the Dakotas. My claim is that people who live in the Dakotas are proof that you can have lots of guns and very little gun crime. Why is that not a valid thing for me to say? Population density?

As always pal, it's very easy to lob an insult and run away.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

If criminals don't care about laws why do people argue the death penalty is a deterrent?

the death penalty is not a law...it's a severe punishment for breaking the law...do i need to explain the difference to you?

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

If criminals don't care about laws why do people argue the death penalty is a deterrent?.

Its not a deterrent, it akin to taking out the trash.

Originally Posted by spence

And finally, what's a more effective weapon to inflict mass casualties, a knife or a gun?.

A Bomb, Poison, or maybe driving an out of control car into a crowd

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by spence

If criminals don't care about laws why do people argue the death penalty is a deterrent?

If 50+% of gun deaths are non-assisted suicides, and there's no specific law prohibiting it, how are these people criminals?

And finally, what's a more effective weapon to inflict mass casualties, a knife or a gun?

It's moot now anyway, Jim's comment about North Dakota just put him back in first place


On their own no, but look at this most recent shooting and it's looking quite likely that the family attitude toward guns was a factor.

it's pretty simple spence, the death penalty is a punishment, murder is still a criminal act, as well as owning an illegal weapon. LOGICAL

I thought suicide was against the law, in any case if they use an illegal gun it is criminal. again logical

knife or gun? serious? common sense

Take the money away from all that free stuff given to illegal aliens and pay for armed guards in our schools to protect our innocent children , how is that for common sense?

[Fishpart]

Originally Posted by Nebe

I'm sorry if I'm sounding like a #^&#^&#^&#^& but what grinds my gears is anyone who thinks what they believe would be better for someone else.
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I think that if you look at Progressives you will find this is exactly the case!! It is implemented through the Soft Tyranny of making people believe Merry Christmas and Illegal Alien are hate speech.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

I'm sorry if I'm sounding like a #^&#^&#^&#^& but what grinds my gears is anyone who thinks what they believe would be better for someone else.
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I wouldn't presume to tell you how to live, because you are doing great and certainly would never bother anyone.

But the gang bangers in Chicago? It's not appropriate to tell them to stop living like feral animals? It's not better to suggest a more productive culture to embrace?

But you nailed it, liberals are very reluctant to say those things. I don't want to offend anyone or be preachy, but I'm not wrong when I say those people need to change their values. And until they do, we will never be able to address the violence that ensues. Never.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Don't know if you noticed on the link you posted, but Hate crimes have been going down in South Dakota and as of 2013 was actually below the national average.


....and FYI.....Fargo is in North Dakota

Yeah, he noticed it in 5 posts above this. And he tried to wash it away with a lame reason that has little, if anything to do with observable reality. He said:
"There's been a decline because many people have probably realized that religion isn't really a free ticket to heaven. Children today learn far more early in life that there is no Easter bunny Santa Claus either."

I don't know of any religion which provides a free ticket. Rather, you have to work, at least in most religions, for the ticket. Religion in name only doesn't cut it. And neither the Easter Bunny nor Santa Claus are Christian doctrines. They are cultural and commercial fictions used to promote little bits of happiness and lots of profitable transactions. Whatever relation they have to Christianity is a distant in name only. Even less than that.

On the other hand, if there were a religion that provides a free ticket to "heaven," Socialism would fit that bill. As well, to a great degree, would its little cousin Progressivism.

[tysdad115]

Jim ,you should know by know that if you disagree with a #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& you are wrong.

[Rockport24]

Also to address the argument of "no one is taking away your guns"
While its true no one is taking them away, try to get one in Massachusetts, as many of already said, it's aint that easy! And if you happen to live in say, Boston, you could be waiting a very long time before the police department gets around to approving your LTC. If you believe in the 2nd amendment (which I know anti-gun folks don't so why am I even mentioning it) this is a problem, especially if you are a law-abiding citizen that has every right to defend yourself. What if a person fears for their or their families life because they live in a chit hole neighborhood and can't get a gun due to all this red tape? I'd say that's undue hardship and "suffering"

[tysdad115]

They aren't illegal to the left Ed,they are votes.
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[ecduzitgood]

Originally Posted by tysdad115

They aren't illegal to the left Ed,they are votes.
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That's true so perhaps we should put the left on the list also
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[ecduzitgood]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prev...auses_of_death
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Some interesting facts about suicide
http://lostallhope.com/suicide-statistics

http://lostallhope.com/suicide-stati...ethods-suicide

http://lostallhope.com/suicide-metho...lethal-methods

[Sea Dangles]

I may be alone in my perception but this is like the Muslims that don't take ownership of all the trouble that has resulted due to radicals or extremism. They didn't endorse the 9/11 tragedy but they cheered the act from the shadows. There are some "normal" Catholics doing the same when planned parenthood gets targeted and I suspect Jim is one of them. Some day he will be working intersections in the city with a bullhorn and leaflets.....
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[detbuch]

Why does this Oregon mass shooting put the ball in the gun owners court? The same arguments that were put forth in previous discussions of gun control are repeated here. The latest incidence doesn't put the ball in any court. It just keeps the ball bouncing.

And then the ball eventually starts to be knocked into other courts such as poking at religion. And we get the usual contradictory swipes such as "what tool is used to control people for political domination" which disregards the opposing question "which tool (same one) is used to resist or escape from political domination. Or "what grinds my gears is anyone who thinks what they believe would be better for someone else" from someone who has said that if everyone followed his two commandments--be cool and don't be a jerk--the world would be a better place. Or implying that some Catholics, similar to Muslims who cheered 9/11 in the shadows, are cheering attacks on planned parenthood in the shadows--as if there is something peculiar to religious believers that is not shared by the rest of humanity. For example, some atheists cheering, in the shadows, various attacks on Christianity. It is probably a trait shared by most people to cheer for the home team, and be glad to see the enemies get poked. It is not a tenet of Christianity or atheism to wish harm to others, but there are so-called Christians and atheists who secretly cheer that harm.

None of that stuff is putting the ball in any court re gun control.

There is, however, a shadowy agreement that the problem goes beyond guns. Nebe says "it is the American way of life that is the problem." Jim in Ct says "It's culture and values." Spence wants to get at the "root cause."

It seems to me, however, that the court that gun control is being played on is not the gun owners court, nor any real agreement on true responsibility, but the court of politics. Who can milk the issue for votes, for power.

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Why does this Oregon mass shooting put the ball in the gun owners court?



It seems to me, however, that the court that gun control is being played on is not the gun owners court, nor any real agreement on true responsibility, but the court of politics. Who can milk the issue for votes, for power.

Yep

[ecduzitgood]

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[Rockport24]

I know the antis think the armed guard is nuts, but the thing is it works!

[tysdad115]

Originally Posted by Rockport24

I know the antis think the armed guard is nuts, but the thing is it works!

It better than works..Purdue University broke this down quite a bit and the results were overwhelmingly in favor. http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/relea...oter-tide.html

[spence]

Originally Posted by Rockport24

I know the antis think the armed guard is nuts, but the thing is it works!

I don't think many people are against the armed guard, the question is how to pay for it. What is widely opposed though is the arming of teachers and otherwise non-professionals.

[Fly Rod]

Originally Posted by spence

I don't think many people are against the armed guard, the question is how to pay for it. What is widely opposed though is the arming of teachers and otherwise non-professionals.

Pay for it from unrestricted endowments Spence.....if my city can afford a full time cop during school hrs. so can a college....ask Billy Bulger...he gets over a million bucks a year for retirement....lol...

[spence]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

Pay for it from unrestricted endowments Spence.....if my city can afford a full time cop during school hrs. so can a college....ask Billy Bulger...he gets over a million bucks a year for retirement....lol...

Much easier to do with an elementary school that has limited ingress. A university with dozens upon dozens of buildings would cost a fortune to properly secure with armed guards.

[Rockport24]

Probably why our president has a bunch of armed men around him at all times as well!

[Fly Rod]

Our high school has an armed cop on duty every day since the mass killings in Connecticut...it is precautionary....I do not understand Y there would b one un armed guard at a college of more then 3000 students....is he/she going to throw books or pencils at intruders?

Also politics R jumping on Ben Carson for his statement about fighting back, dems R trying to destroy him....I believe the same as he does to fight back....in most schools students R taught to cower to a corner, this is okay if kids R real young, but college kids R adults they should have a plan to attack while trying to run out....yes one or two may B shot while running but Y wait to B systematically shot.

[Nebe]

And another shooting today
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

And another shooting today
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Were there any Stabbings today? How about anybody beaten to death?

But it's a shooting and everybody loses their #^&#^&#^&#^&ing mind
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[ecduzitgood]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Were there any Stabbings today? How about anybody beaten to death?

But it's a shooting and everybody loses their #^&#^&#^&#^&ing mind
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Yup....and over in Turkey there were 2 suicide bombers who must not have been able to procure a gun....hmm
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Were there any Stabbings today? How about anybody beaten to death?

But it's a shooting and everybody loses their #^&#^&#^&#^&ing mind
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Unless the shootings reflect black-on-black violence in Chicago or Baltimore, in which case the democrats won't say a word, because there's no political upside.