Desantis sends two plane loads of illegals to Martha’s Vineyard

[Pete F.]

I never thought America would regress to a time when treating minorities inhumanely increased a politician’s popularity. Such cruelty has never been seen before. It’s outrageous.

…oh wait, white politicians in America have been doing that for centuries.
Sorry if that makes you feel guilty
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[Pete F.]

Billions in funding for the border over the years. Trump literally built parts of his "wall" with funding for DoD programs and bragged the border was secured.

Did the wall come down? Did the border patrol stop operating?
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[Pete F.]

I think it's worth noting that Ron DeSantis himself was in Nantucket just last month s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g up to private equity for campaign contributions. Mr. 'Stick it to the Blue States' has no problem with MA when it suits his greed. As odious a man as you will ever find.
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[Pete F.]

The logic is that under the laws of this federal republic, immigration is the responsibility of the federal government. If you’re not happy with the laws change Congress.

And since federal laws likely were broken, the US Attorney in Massachusetts will be serving grand jury subpoenas no later than next week. DOD IG will commence investigation of use of USAF facilities.
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[Pete F.]

The difference in Florida’s reaction to people fleeing a socialist government in 1959-66 to people fleeing a socialist government in 2022 is startling. The first group got welcomed with open arms while second has been demeaned and trafficked against their will and knowledge.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The difference in Florida’s reaction to people fleeing a socialist government in 1959-66 to people fleeing a socialist government in 2022 is startling. The first group got welcomed with open arms while second has been demeaned and trafficked against their will and knowledge.
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So you criticize FL for not welcoming them, but have nothing to say about Martha’s Vineyard officials saying they’re going to similarly ship them off. The swells on the vineyard don’t want them either, and they currently don’t have any. FL has plenty.

Why can’t Martha’s Vineyard ante up and accept a few??

When you advocate for open borders, this is what you’re advocating for. Illegal immigrants who need to be housed, fed, given medical attention, schools for their kids. If Mayor Lightfoot and the islanders in the Vineyard don’t want them, maybe they should stop advocating for exactly this

Classic hypocritical “I’m for this, but not in my backyard” position. Big on talk, short on actual principles.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

So you criticize FL for not welcoming them, but have nothing to say about Martha’s Vineyard officials saying they’re going to similarly ship them off. The swells on the vineyard don’t want them either, and they currently don’t have any. FL has plenty.

Why can’t Martha’s Vineyard ante up and accept a few??

When you advocate for open borders, this is what you’re advocating for. Illegal immigrants who need to be housed, fed, given medical attention, schools for their kids. If Mayor Lightfoot and the islanders in the Vineyard don’t want them, maybe they should stop advocating for exactly this

Classic hypocritical “I’m for this, but not in my backyard” position. Big on talk, short on actual principles.

You’re claiming DeSantis has principles, MAGA Christians like you cheer on the cruelty and hate of Ron DeSantis.

Thankfully, most Christians believe in the actual teachings of Jesus Christ: “For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me." Matthew 25:35.

1. DeSantis hired a woman named Perla to prowl the streets of San Antonio in Texas, lure migrants onto a plane under false pretenses of a trip to Boston and expedited work visas, and then dropped them in Martha’s Vineyard
2. The Venezuelan migrants that Ron DeSantis sent to Martha’s Vineyard were NOT here illegally. They were asylum seekers who fled the socialist Maduro regime, and have legitimate claims for asylum. Exploiting these vulnerable people for a political stunt is cruel and despicable.
3. Isn't it odd how all the talk is about borders in Texas and Arizona, but not California or New Mexico?
4. I love people acting like Massachusetts doesn't have one of the highest rates of non-native born residents in the US- higher than everywhere in the south except TX and FL. People are acting like no one is MA has ever seen an immigrant before and won't be able to cope...
5. The MAGA disinformation machine is cranking post and media segments that white liberals on Martha’s Vineyard are panicking and upset and in crisis mode. They have to feel that Desantis owns the libs. It’s largely based on a 30 second clip from one woman, but that’s all they need.
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[PaulS]

Just saw this - the more things change, the more they stay the same.

As the Republican governors of Texas, Arizona and Florida send busloads and planeloads of migrants to liberal bastions in the north to protest President Joe Biden's immigration policies, some have struck a comparison with a dark and mostly forgotten chapter of American history: the Reverse Freedom Rides of 1962.

Since April, governors Greg Abbott of Texas, Doug Ducey of Arizona and Ron DeSantis of Florida have collectively ordered thousands of migrants to be dropped in Democratic-led areas like Washington D.C., New York, Chicago and Martha's Vineyard.

According to many of the migrants who arrived in the small Massachusetts island on Wednesday, those traveling didn't exactly know their destination—but they were promised they would get jobs and housing upon their arrival.

That is not what awaited them in the north. While volunteers and authorities in Martha's Vineyard, Washington D.C. and New York scrambled to take care of the newly arrived migrants, officials have denounced a lack of resources and facilities to face the unexpected challenge coming from the southern states.

For some, the narrative that has guided the migrants to the liberal bastions in the north sounded familiar.

The Boston-based John F. Kennedy Presidential Library has drawn a parallel between the busing migrant crisis and DeSantis' program to fly planeloads of migrants outside of state lines to the Reverse Freedom Rides of 1962, when white southern segregationists tricked hundreds of Black Americans into moving north, promising them they would find jobs and housing in liberal states.

"To embarrass Northern liberals and humiliate Black people, southern White Citizens Councils started their so-called 'Reverse Freedom Rides,' giving Black people one-way tickets to northern cities with false promises of jobs, housing, and better lives," the library of the 35th U.S. president tweeted on Thursday.

The Reverse Freedom Rides were a parody of the Freedom Rides organized by the Congress of Racial Equality (CORE) and the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC) in the early 1960s, and were made in retaliation against northern liberals and the civil rights movement. Free one-way bus tickets were given to families who were lured into moving north with the promise of high-paid jobs and free housing. Some were even told they would meet President Kennedy.

But none of that happened.

Some 200 people boarded the Greyhound buses to progressive cities in the north, with the largest group—exactly 96 people—destined for Hyannis, Massachusetts—a short distance from Martha's Vineyard where some of today's migrants have been sent.

Hyannis is where the Williams, one of the first families who made it to the north from Arkansas, arrived in the summer of 1962, ready to meet the Kennedys, as they were told.

In 2019, Gabrielle Emanuel, a journalist with Boston public radio station WGBH, interviewed the families who had made the trip, including the Williams. Betty Williams, who was 18 at the time of the move, told WGBH that her mother Lela Mae was trying to give her nine children a better life.

"My mom thought that when she came to the North, she was going to have a better life for her children, better jobs and better housing," she said. "Better everything for all of us."

When they got off the bus in front of the Kennedys' home, there were cameras ready to film the arrivals of the Williams, prompted by the same Louisiana segregationist who had helped spearhead the Reverse Freedom Rides, Amis Guthridge.

While the then-president wasn't there to greet the Black family, civil rights activist Margaret Moseley was there, and she told WGBH in 2019 that the event "was one of the most inhuman things I have ever seen."

While Guthridge and George Singelmann —the original organizer of the rides— said that the Reverse Freedom Rides program was born "in a spirit of beneficence and humanitarianism," Moseley told WGBH she knew that the Black families were only pawns in a segregationist game.

While many found jobs and housing in the north eventually, some didn't. And life for the uprooted families was much different than the one they had envisioned before moving north.

'Pulling From A Playbook': The Migrant Busing Crisis
According to Abbott's office, more than 9,400 migrants have been dropped off in Washington since April—now likely over 9,500 with those left outside Vice President Kamala Harris' residence on Thursday—and more than 2,100 have been sent to New York. Since May, Arizona has sent 43 buses to Washington, D.C., transporting at least 1,500 migrants who are mainly from Colombia, Peru and Venezuela, according to Ducey.

On Wednesday, DeSantis claimed responsibility for flying some 50 migrants, mostly from Venezuela, to Martha's Vineyard. DeSantis said he's helping migrants "to go to greener pastures" in sanctuary jurisdictions.

[wdmso]

Yep an original idea from the party who loves living in the past when they told there supporters Blacks were the enemy to their way of life as they are now claiming the brown invasion is the latest assault against their way of life

Reverse Freedom Rides’: An echo of Martha’s Vineyard migrant flights 60 years ago
Tricked by segregationists with promises of work and housing, Black families were dropped in Cape Cod with nothing. Sound familiar?

And guess what

Today’s migrants in Martha’s Vineyard are now being transported to the same Cape Cod military base that housed the “Reverse Freedom Riders” decades ago.

[The Dad Fisherman]

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[scottw]

"The Chamber of Commerce of Martha’s Vineyard said the island was facing a “humanitarian crisis” after Florida Governor Ron DeSantis sent just 50 migrants to the island this week. Yet more than 24,000 illegal immigrants would need to arrive on the island for it to equally share the burden faced by Del Rio, Texas, on the U.S.-Mexico border.

The Del Rio area had more than 49,500 migrant encounters in July alone — more than the population of the city itself, which has a population of just over 34,500 people. By contrast, the year-round population of Martha’s Vineyard is 17,000 people and the island welcomed just 50 migrants when the “humanitarian crisis” was triggered."

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

"The Chamber of Commerce of Martha’s Vineyard said the island was facing a “humanitarian crisis” after Florida Governor Ron DeSantis sent just 50 migrants to the island this week. Yet more than 24,000 illegal immigrants would need to arrive on the island for it to equally share the burden faced by Del Rio, Texas, on the U.S.-Mexico border.

The Del Rio area had more than 49,500 migrant encounters in July alone — more than the population of the city itself, which has a population of just over 34,500 people. By contrast, the year-round population of Martha’s Vineyard is 17,000 people and the island welcomed just 50 migrants when the “humanitarian crisis” was triggered."

Maybe you need to look up what an island is

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

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the vineyard is going to do what chicago
did, get rid of these people
as fast as they can get them out of their sight.

If liberals believes what they claim to believe, they’d be welcoming the immigrants with open arms. Shows their hypocrisy, which is why it’s dismissed as a stunt. I guess it is a stunt, but a very very effective one.

if you’re opposed to a wall, you’re advocating for more illegal immigration. That’s what you’re supporting. So you should welcome more illegals.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

the vineyard is going to do what chicago
did, get rid of these people
as fast as they can get them out of their sight.

If liberals believes what they claim to believe, they’d be welcoming the immigrants with open arms. Shows their hypocrisy, which is why it’s dismissed as a stunt. I guess it is a stunt, but a very very effective one.

if you’re opposed to a wall, you’re advocating for more illegal immigration. That’s what you’re supporting. So you should welcome more illegals.

Poor victim

In January 2021, just before Biden took office, your hero said:

I kept my promises. And today we celebrate an extraordinary milestone: the completion of the promised 450 miles of border wall. … You have some areas that are virtually impossible to get by. So we didn’t need walls everywhere, but… in every region that we’ve built the wall, illegal crossings and drug smuggling have plummeted. … One of the big elements of the wall that make it so successful is we can have far fewer people working.

So Trump believed the wall was working too, and that it wasn’t needed everywhere. Regardless, if his $15 billion, 455‐​mile border wall can be defeated by any small gap anywhere in it, it just goes to show the absurdity of the whole project because gaps can and are being made on a near‐​daily basis.

The Trump border wall failed for all the predictable reasons. Immigrants used cheap ladders to climb over it, or they free climb it. They used cheap power tools to cut through it. They cut through small pieces and squeezed through, and they cut through big sections and drove through. In one small section in 2020, they sawed through at least 18 times that Border Patrol knew about in a month. They also made tunnels. Some tunnels were long, including the longest one ever discovered, but some were short enough just to get past the barrier.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

the vineyard is going to do what chicago
did, get rid of these people
as fast as they can get them out of their sight.

If liberals believes what they claim to believe, they’d be welcoming the immigrants with open arms. Shows their hypocrisy, which is why it’s dismissed as a stunt. I guess it is a stunt, but a very very effective one.

if you’re opposed to a wall, you’re advocating for more illegal immigration. That’s what you’re supporting. So you should welcome more illegals.

Like Scott look up island instead making excuses for your man crush and lack of moral values

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I guess it is a stunt, but a very very effective one.

A stunt, never heard of such a thing

[scottw]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

A stunt, never heard of such a thing

yeah, they should think of it as an opportunity for endless sanctimonious virtue signaling...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

A stunt, never heard of such a thing

they’re all in favor of illegals, as long as they don’t have to see
any.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

they’re all in favor of illegals, as long as they don’t have to see
any.

What the miser class wanted from the dehumanizing Martha's Vineyard stunt was to accuse liberals of hating migrants just as much as they do. It was all geared for the "liberals deport migrants" headlines. They were going to do it regardless of whether it was true, and they have.
The people of Martha's Vineyard can take perfect care of them, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts can activate the National Guard to assist and offer them transportation where they can receive services, they can do everything right. but it won't matter. Misers will lie.
They will say that the National Guard was activated against the migrants, when they were activated on their behalf. They will say that the migrants were "deported," when they were offered voluntary transportation to receive services.
The entire point of the stunt was to make accusations of "liberal hypocrisy" on the grounds that liberals hate migrants just as much as Republicans do. It's not true, of course, but truth is irrelevant. They will lie, and their media organs will perpetuate the lie.
The actual truth will be lost in the confusion, as media that are not explicitly right-wing will start exploring the political winners and losers of the stunt and trying to navigate a middle ground between the truth and the lie.

The truth is that they were scooped up and taken care of despite arriving with no warning or preparation, they are now getting necessary legal help, medical attention if required, and will be far better off than in Texas or Florida.

Notice when places like Martha’s Vineyard prove they can be compassionate to immigrants, the fascists will just try to ship humans to to somewhere else.
Because the point isn’t to *solve* a problem, it’s to make one.
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[wdmso]

For the usual suspects who think we have open borders And feel laws aren’t being followed ..

Asylum Explained

In simple terms, asylum is a way that civilized nations protect persons who come from other countries that are unwilling or unable to protect them. Immigration law, specifically §101(a)(42) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, defines a refugee or asylee as a person who is unable or unwilling to return to their country because of persecution or a well-founded fear of persecution on account of:

Race
Religion
Nationality
Membership in a particular social group or
Political opinion
Asylum applications are managed by the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS), just like all other immigration petitions and processes.

The United States recognizes these international definitions of asylum and sets them as criteria that may allow people to remain in the United States. Thus, USCIS does not grant asylum solely on the basis of:

Wanting a better economic opportunity
Because the family-based immigration process takes too long
They didn’t know better
USCIS admits approximately 25,000 asylees each year. However, there is no statutory limit. The cap on refugees is different. So, President Biden’s announcement to increase refugee admissions to about 125,000 is not tied to the asylum process. Resources to adjudicate (make a decision) on cases is one of the biggest limiting factors for the number of asylum admissions.

Once again statistics don’t prove their version of events

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

For the usual suspects who think we have open borders

Democrat Congressman from Texas says it is "literally an open border"...probably has no idea what he's talking about

[Pete F.]

Massachusetts is one of eight “donor states” that pays more in federal taxes than it gets back in federal expenditures (ranks third behind NY and NJ).
Florida, by contrast, is the third biggest “taker state” (behind VA and KY), getting over $50B more than it pays in.
Just sayin’.
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[Pete F.]

This outrage must stop. New Jersey is flying criminal Turkish immigrants to Pennsylvania to run for office.
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[wdmso]

If it wasn’t for immigration 1\2 of Del Reo residents wouldn’t have jobs

And Republicans need to stop crying as if this hasn’t been happening for decades and their are facilities built just for what’s happening just look at the maps. MV could throw them in the county jail that’s the only bed space on the island

So when people like to again everything’s equal .. their not.

Odd when are Republicans going to start talking about the Chinese invasion their top of the asylum list

[Jim in CT]

Last week, liberals in Chicago and Martha’s Vineyard were adamantly opposed to securing the southern border with a wall, and said it was xenophobic and hate mongering to oppose illegals.

Today, those same exact liberals in Chicago and Martha’s Vineyard have illegals in their backyards, and are shipping them off as soon as they can work out the logistics.

The liberals flip flipped 180 degrees.

And they’ll tell us they were right both times.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Last week, liberals in Chicago and Martha’s Vineyard were adamantly opposed to securing the southern border with a wall, and said it was xenophobic and hate mongering to oppose illegals.

Today, those same exact liberals in Chicago and Martha’s Vineyard have illegals in their backyards, and are shipping them off as soon as they can work out the logistics.

The liberals flip flipped 180 degrees.

And they’ll tell us they were right both times.

Stop making sh it up
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Stop making sh it up
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what did i make up?

everything is ok when liberals do it!!!

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/poli...outputType=amp

[scottw]

shhhh...don't tell anyone and upset the narrative

"Some of the migrants in Martha's Vineyard say the Florida-funded planes that took them to the island were 'a stroke of good luck.'."

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

what did i make up?

everything is ok when liberals do it!!!

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/poli...outputType=amp

GOD you're despicable. They were ferried across the sound to Cape Cod where there is housing & supplies. Plus, they have to check in with nearest ICE office quickly or face permanent deportation -there is no ICE office on Martha's Vineyard (which is why Desantis sent them there)

Never mind that FL paid Vertol Systems $615,000 on Sept 8th out of the $12m deportation fund.

So Floridians paid $12,300 for each refugee DeSantis trafficked for his own political purposes.

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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

GOD you're despicable. They were ferried across the sound to Cape Cod where there is housing & supplies. Plus, they have to check in with nearest ICE office quickly or face permanent deportation -there is no ICE office on Martha's Vineyard (which is why Desantis sent them there)

Never mind that FL paid Vertol Systems $615,000 on Sept 8th out of the $12m deportation fund.

So Floridians paid $12,300 for each refugee DeSantis trafficked for his own political purposes.

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and chicago shipped to the suburbs

in both cases, people where the illegals were, didn’t want them, and shipped them off. How many planes has the Biden administration filled with illegals and flown them around, sometimes in the middle of the night? but that’s ok. Because everything is on when liberals do it.