DNC builds fence (wall?) around convention site?

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

He did not invite espionage from a hostile foreign country. That is spin.

"If he is talking about the State Department e-mails on her server, he is inviting a foreign intelligence service to steal sensitive American government information," Hayden said. "If he is talking about the allegedly private e-mails that she destroyed, he is inviting a foreign intelligence service to violate the privacy of an individual protected by the Fourth Amendment to the American Constitution."

"Perhaps he doesn't know what he's talking about. Just a theory," Hayden said.

General Hayden is spinning?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

General Hayden is spinning?

I thought Hilary said with conviction that all those missing emails were of a personal nature (yoga classes), and not work-related. So unless she is lying (perish the thought!) there are no national security implications of his likely (who knows) sarcastic remark.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I thought Hilary said with conviction that all those missing emails were of a personal nature (yoga classes), and not work-related. So unless she is lying (perish the thought!) there are no national security implications of his likely (who knows) sarcastic remark.

Exactly ! However the false narrative about Benghazi that was put out by Hillary and President Obama was a direct threat to national security .
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[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

Exactly ! However the false narrative about Benghazi that was put out by Hillary and President Obama was a direct threat to national security .
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This makes no sense.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

General Hayden is spinning?

Since there is no quote by Trump in your quote of Hayden, I can't tell if Hayden is spinning or if he doesn't know what he is talking about,

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Since there is no quote by Trump in your quote of Hayden, I can't tell if Hayden is spinning or if he doesn't know what he is talking about,

I thought so.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Since there is no quote by Trump in your quote of Hayden, I can't tell if Hayden is spinning or if he doesn't know what he is talking about,

Really? Butch in a bubble?
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Really? Butch in a bubble?
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Yeah, everyone knows that Hillary is butch--Trump sort of babbles--and your brain is in her bubble.

[PaulS]

No I meant the RNC. - somewhat similiar. Although as Kevin pointed out no way to know if that server was hacked.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

I thought so.
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Trump didn't "invite" Russia to hack Hillary's server. He said that they already hacked it. You don't invite somebody to do something they already did, you invite them to do something they have not yet done.

And he added that, "Russia, if you're listening I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing [in the emails that you already hacked]. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press." That is pure sarc against Hillary's irresponsible use of the private server and against a press he considers lax on criticizing her for deleting the emails.

He is obviously assuming that her server was already hacked, and not because he invited Russia or others who hacked her server, but, rather, if there was any invitation, it was by Hillary. It was her irresponsible insistence on the private server that invited hacking.

But, as is a prime function of spin, it turns your guy's mistake into one commited by your opponent.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Trump didn't "invite" Russia to hack Hillary's server. He said that they already hacked it. You don't invite somebody to do something they already did, you invite them to do something they have not yet done.

yet trump doesn't attack the Russians for committing the crime or espionage He supports it with a request of assistance

And he added that, "Russia, if you're listening I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing [in the emails that you already hacked]. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press." That is pure sarc against Hillary's irresponsible use of the private server and against a press he considers lax on criticizing her for deleting the emails.

So you support a guy who want to be the next POTUS using sarcasm when it come to the Russians Hacking

He is obviously assuming that her server was already hacked, and not because he invited Russia or others who hacked her server, but, rather, if there was any invitation, it was by Hillary. It was her irresponsible insistence on the private server that invited hacking.

And the Invitation, it was by Hillary thats like saying she deserved to be raped did you see the sexy clothes she had on she was asking for it


But, as is a prime function of spin, it turns your guy's mistake into one commited by your opponent.

Seem you got spin down to a science if you believe in science that is

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by detbuch View Post

Trump didn't "invite" Russia to hack Hillary's server. He said that they already hacked it. You don't invite somebody to do something they already did, you invite them to do something they have not yet done.


wdmso reply: yet trump doesn't attack the Russians for committing the crime or espionage He supports it with a request of assistance

I don't think Trump would attack the U.S. for its espionage either. Every major nation does it. So Trump is not "supporting" espionage (your spin). And it only seems to become a crime if you are caught. And the only punishment meted out for it is by the nation being spied on. Then things can be smoothed out by swapping spies.

And Trump is not searching for Hillary's missing emails. So he doesn't need to ask for assistance (your spin). He didn't "ask" for but "hoped" that the Russians would find, among their hacked product, the missing emails. That the Press (which largely leaves unscathed Hillary's deletion of emails when she was subpoenaed to deliver them) would greatly reward the Russians. Obvious sarcasm, not a request for help or a support for espionage.

And he added that, "Russia, if you're listening I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing [in the emails that you already hacked]. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press." That is pure sarc against Hillary's irresponsible use of the private server and against a press he considers lax on criticizing her for deleting the emails.


wdmoso:
So you support a guy who want to be the next POTUS using sarcasm when it come to the Russians Hacking

Oh, get off your high horse. Everybody on this forum uses sarcasm, including you. As do all politicians, and on matters far more important than Russian hacking. Hillary is no exception. She has used it regarding her wiping of the emails. She uses it a lot. And on matters, such as Benghazi, far more important than the obvious and expected Russian hacking

He is obviously assuming that her server was already hacked, and not because he invited Russia or others who hacked her server, but, rather, if there was any invitation, it was by Hillary. It was her irresponsible insistence on the private server that invited hacking.

wdmso:
And the Invitation, it was by Hillary thats like saying she deserved to be raped did you see the sexy clothes she had on she was asking for it

No, it is not at all like saying she "deserved" it. It was saying that if we choose to spin on the notion of "inviting," it was Hillary's use of the private server that "invited" hacking more than anyone else's words or accusations or sarcasm. If we want an analogy on the spin of "deserving," it was more like a criminal deserving punishment for committing a crime.

But, as is a prime function of spin, it turns your guy's mistake into one commited by your opponent.


wdmso:
Seem you got spin down to a science if you believe in science that is

I don't "believe" in science. I don't treat it as a religion as many do. It is a useful tool. But, like all tools, it is often misused. But thanks for the sarcasm. And you might want to hone your spin down closer to a science rather than haphazard reliance on the spin of others'

[PaulS]

From some liberal rag today.

The Real Plot Against America

In retrospect, it worked out much better than planned. Who’d have thought a pariah nation, run by an authoritarian who makes his political opponents disappear, could so easily hijack a great democracy? It didn’t take much. A talented nerd can bring down a minnow of a nation. But this level of political crime requires more refined mechanics — you need everyone to play their assigned roles.

You start with a stooge, a fugitive holed up in London, releasing stolen emails on the eve of the Democratic National Convention, in the name of “transparency.” Cyberburglars rely on a partner in crime to pick up stolen goods. And WikiLeaks has always been there for Russia, a nation with no transparency.

The emails show office gossip — catty, sometimes crude back-and-forth by party operatives, and a bias for one candidate. Ho-hum. To make the plot work, reporters have to take the bait. On cue, they decry the fact that politics is going on inside a major political party. The horror — Democratic hacks saying nasty things about Senator Bernie Sanders.

Next, lefty extremists have to act like lefty extremists — that is, myopic to the greater good, guided by a Trumpian sense that they alone know how to solve the world’s problems, and everyone else is a sellout. Angered at the contents of the cybertheft, they boo any mention of their party’s nominee. And told by Senator Sanders, the man who brought them there, that booing is too easy, they boo his call to unite to save their country from a monster.

But Russia still has to seal the deal. Some work remains. If enough angered lefties won’t go for the Democratic nominee, a longtime foe of Vladimir Putin, it will be just enough to put a Putin puppet in the White House. And it would also usher in the term that drove the right wing crazy when George H.W. Bush used it — a New World Order.

What’s in it for Russia? Well, everything. Territory. Hegemony. Its takeover of the Crimean Peninsula has brought sanctions and condemnation from the West. What stands between Putin and further aggression in, say, the Baltic States, is a NATO pact that has kept Europe safe for nearly 70 years. And if you thought Trump stiffed the poor suckers who signed up for his “university,” wait till you see how he treats some of our oldest allies.

Plus, Putin despises Hillary Clinton. Like Trump, his skin is rice-paper-thin, albeit a paler shade of orange; and, like Trump, he never forgets a slight. He still hasn’t gotten over Clinton’s comment on George W. Bush’s infamous look into Putin’s soul. As a former K.G.B agent, said Clinton, “he doesn’t have a soul.”

What’s in it for Trump? Help at winning the ultimate throne of his gilded dreams. And maybe some investment money from Russian oligarchs close to Putin, one of many things Trump may be hiding in his tax returns. The two narcissists share a love of torture, authoritarian rule, and women on runways in bathing suits.

But then, a wild card, something unplanned. Putin didn’t expect Trump to be so all-in with his collusion. He knows Trump is a fool, world class in only one thing — ignorance. He doesn’t need spies for that. He knows Trump is a man who will say anything, and deny in the same breath that he ever said it. The Talented Mr. Trump.

Last November, before a national television audience, Trump said of Putin, “I got to know him very well.” And Wednesday, Trump said, “I never met Putin.” That was a standard Trump lie, on one end or the other. But even Putin couldn’t fathom that Trump really will say anything.

So there was the Republican Party nominee for president inviting an American adversary to wage cyberwar against the country he wants to lead. If that wasn’t Trump’s shoot-somebody-on-Fifth-Avenue moment, nothing will be. What’s more, he was way too obvious about the role of the other pawns in the scheme. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press,” he said to Mother Russia.

Also, he’s getting carried away with his dictator-philia. On Thursday, he said Putin was a better leader than President Obama. D’oh! In public, at least, you’re supposed to root for the home team.

Trump misses the old days, back when you could “knock the crap out of” a demonstrator. Yeah, the old days. Back when it was disqualifying for an American politician to flirt with treason.

This all seems too preposterous to be planned. Where are the conspiracy nut jobs when you really need them? Even fiction, Philip Roth’s “The Plot Against America,” about a fascist-lite president during World War II, does not have this level of absurdity.

But it unfolds, still, if not according to Russia’s design, then according to Russia’s will. Trump is now a national security risk, actively rooting for a foreign adversary to tamper with an American election. And very soon, he will start receiving classified briefings on that adversary. Ehhhhhcellent!

[buckman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

From some liberal rag today.

The Real Plot Against America

In retrospect, it worked out much better than planned. Who’d have thought a pariah nation, run by an authoritarian who makes his political opponents disappear, could so easily hijack a great democracy? It didn’t take much. A talented nerd can bring down a minnow of a nation. But this level of political crime requires more refined mechanics — you need everyone to play their assigned roles.

You start with a stooge, a fugitive holed up in London, releasing stolen emails on the eve of the Democratic National Convention, in the name of “transparency.” Cyberburglars rely on a partner in crime to pick up stolen goods. And WikiLeaks has always been there for Russia, a nation with no transparency.

The emails show office gossip — catty, sometimes crude back-and-forth by party operatives, and a bias for one candidate. Ho-hum. To make the plot work, reporters have to take the bait. On cue, they decry the fact that politics is going on inside a major political party. The horror — Democratic hacks saying nasty things about Senator Bernie Sanders.

Next, lefty extremists have to act like lefty extremists — that is, myopic to the greater good, guided by a Trumpian sense that they alone know how to solve the world’s problems, and everyone else is a sellout. Angered at the contents of the cybertheft, they boo any mention of their party’s nominee. And told by Senator Sanders, the man who brought them there, that booing is too easy, they boo his call to unite to save their country from a monster.

But Russia still has to seal the deal. Some work remains. If enough angered lefties won’t go for the Democratic nominee, a longtime foe of Vladimir Putin, it will be just enough to put a Putin puppet in the White House. And it would also usher in the term that drove the right wing crazy when George H.W. Bush used it — a New World Order.

What’s in it for Russia? Well, everything. Territory. Hegemony. Its takeover of the Crimean Peninsula has brought sanctions and condemnation from the West. What stands between Putin and further aggression in, say, the Baltic States, is a NATO pact that has kept Europe safe for nearly 70 years. And if you thought Trump stiffed the poor suckers who signed up for his “university,” wait till you see how he treats some of our oldest allies.

Plus, Putin despises Hillary Clinton. Like Trump, his skin is rice-paper-thin, albeit a paler shade of orange; and, like Trump, he never forgets a slight. He still hasn’t gotten over Clinton’s comment on George W. Bush’s infamous look into Putin’s soul. As a former K.G.B agent, said Clinton, “he doesn’t have a soul.”

What’s in it for Trump? Help at winning the ultimate throne of his gilded dreams. And maybe some investment money from Russian oligarchs close to Putin, one of many things Trump may be hiding in his tax returns. The two narcissists share a love of torture, authoritarian rule, and women on runways in bathing suits.

But then, a wild card, something unplanned. Putin didn’t expect Trump to be so all-in with his collusion. He knows Trump is a fool, world class in only one thing — ignorance. He doesn’t need spies for that. He knows Trump is a man who will say anything, and deny in the same breath that he ever said it. The Talented Mr. Trump.

Last November, before a national television audience, Trump said of Putin, “I got to know him very well.” And Wednesday, Trump said, “I never met Putin.” That was a standard Trump lie, on one end or the other. But even Putin couldn’t fathom that Trump really will say anything.

So there was the Republican Party nominee for president inviting an American adversary to wage cyberwar against the country he wants to lead. If that wasn’t Trump’s shoot-somebody-on-Fifth-Avenue moment, nothing will be. What’s more, he was way too obvious about the role of the other pawns in the scheme. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press,” he said to Mother Russia.

Also, he’s getting carried away with his dictator-philia. On Thursday, he said Putin was a better leader than President Obama. D’oh! In public, at least, you’re supposed to root for the home team.

Trump misses the old days, back when you could “knock the crap out of” a demonstrator. Yeah, the old days. Back when it was disqualifying for an American politician to flirt with treason.

This all seems too preposterous to be planned. Where are the conspiracy nut jobs when you really need them? Even fiction, Philip Roth’s “The Plot Against America,” about a fascist-lite president during World War II, does not have this level of absurdity.

But it unfolds, still, if not according to Russia’s design, then according to Russia’s will. Trump is now a national security risk, actively rooting for a foreign adversary to tamper with an American election. And very soon, he will start receiving classified briefings on that adversary. Ehhhhhcellent!

Did the DNC editors help with this one too ?
I think you need a break from the forum , you're becoming unglued .
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by buckman

Did the DNC editors help with this one too ?
I think you need a break from the forum , you're becoming unglued .
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Expain how I'm being unglued. Maybe explain how I parrott the DNC talking points also.

Pls. don't run away this time.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Expain how I'm being unglued. Maybe explain how I parrott the DNC talking points also.

Pls. don't run away this time.

See above
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[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

That the Press (which largely leaves unscathed Hillary's deletion of emails when she was subpoenaed to deliver them) would greatly reward the Russians. Obvious sarcasm, not a request for help or a support for espionage.

I don't believe Clinton ever deleted anything while under subpoena. And as per State Department policy she had the judgement on what was a government record.

As for Trump, even if it was sarcasm it would be seen as an invitation for a foreign government to interfere with a US election. It's yet another in a long string of reckless comments that demonstrate why he doesn't have the temperament to be POTUS.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

I don't believe Clinton ever deleted anything while under subpoena. And as per State Department policy she had the judgement on what was a government record.

As for Trump, even if it was sarcasm it would be seen as an invitation for a foreign government to interfere with a US election. It's yet another in a long string of reckless comments that demonstrate why he doesn't have the temperament to be POTUS.

It obviously was and it was funny .
Explain to me again the harm .
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by buckman

It obviously was and it was funny .
Explain to me again the harm .
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it was hilarious which is why the lib panties are all in a bunch...Hill's campaigns has apparently been hacked as well

I think O referred to himself only 119 times which was a little disappointing....thought he'd really go for it this time and smother himself with affection.....

[ecduzitgood]

Originally Posted by spence

I don't believe Clinton ever deleted anything while under subpoena. And as per State Department policy she had the judgement on what was a government record.

As for Trump, even if it was sarcasm it would be seen as an invitation for a foreign government to interfere with a US election. It's yet another in a long string of reckless comments that demonstrate why he doesn't have the temperament to be POTUS.

The FBI found she deleted work emails which a subpoena was not necessary since she was required by LAW to turn over all work related emails when she left her SOS position.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-s...-emails-friday
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[spence]

Originally Posted by ecduzitgood

The FBI found she deleted work emails which a subpoena was not necessary since she was required by LAW to turn over all work related emails when she left her SOS position.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-s...-emails-friday
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Totally different issues.

[ecduzitgood]

Uranium one..The reason Putin loves Hillary. Look it up, if you don't know what Uranium one is so you can read it yourself rather than take my opinion.
Hillary has been proven to be terrible at national security.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by ecduzitgood

Uranium one..The reason Putin loves Hillary. Look it up, if you don't know what Uranium one is so you can read it yourself rather than take my opinion.
Hillary has been proven to be terrible at national security.
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Yea, because donations to the Clinton Foundation influenced 9 US government organizations including the DoD, Treasury and Energy Department, the Utah State Nuclear Regulator and the government of Canada. People in the loop say Clinton wasn't even involved in the process.

By the way...the deal was actually a result of a Bush initiative to expand trade.

SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

[ecduzitgood]

Originally Posted by spence

Yea, because donations to the Clinton Foundation influenced 9 US government organizations including the DoD, Treasury and Energy Department, the Utah State Nuclear Regulator and the government of Canada. People in the loop say Clinton wasn't even involved in the process.

By the way...the deal was actually a result of a Bush initiative to expand trade.

SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

People in the loop...lol

Uranium one...see below

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015...inton-web.html
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[spence]

Originally Posted by ecduzitgood

People in the loop...lol

Uranium one...see below

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015...inton-web.html
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Perhaps they could actually investigate and report on facts rather than just recite the conspiracy theories from an author out to bash the Clintons.

[PaulS]

You mean bc I posted that the RNC had issues with emails in the past or that I pointed out that Trump doesn't even seem to know who the VP is? That is coming unglued - got it.

Let's talk about how many time Pres. Obama said I in his speach. You didn't get that from some right wing wack job site who actually spent time counting the word I in his speech. That is not a talking point?

[buckman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

You mean bc I posted that the RNC had issues with emails in the past or that I pointed out that Trump doesn't even seem to know who the VP is? That is coming unglued - got it.

Let's talk about how many time Pres. Obama said I in his speach. You didn't get that from some right wing wack job site who actually spent time counting the word I in his speech. That is not a talking point?

That was just a joke for Spence . He has a problem calling the president a narcissist .
You really don't have a sense of humor at all
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[ecduzitgood]

They banned uniformed police from the convention floor. Apparently they feel police in uniform may negatively effect their chances in November. I don't recall former Democrat Ku Klux Klan klegal Senator Robert Byrd being barred from the convention floor. I guess KKK okay, Cop in uniform not okay.

http://nypost.com/2016/07/29/philly-...floor/?ref=yfp

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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

I don't believe Clinton ever deleted anything while under subpoena.

Probably true, but not 100% ( or less) sure.

And as per State Department policy she had the judgement on what was a government record.

That's a peculiar policy. If it is required to turn over work related emails to the Department, and it is left to the judgment of the person who is required to return those emails . . . why even have the policy? Sort of like we hope you return the work related emails, but if you don't, well, that's just the way the cookie crumbles. thanks anyway.

As for Trump, even if it was sarcasm it would be seen as an invitation for a foreign government to interfere with a US election.

Now that is hilarious. Way funnier than Trump's sarcasm.

"Oh, look Ahmed, Trump is making sarcasm on Mrs. Clinton. This must mean he is inviting us to hack American government emails."

"Uh, Faisal, you do know that we've been hacking their emails for many years now? And we already hacked hers. I hear the Russians and the Chinese did too."

"Nooo, Ahmed. You cannot be saying that we have been breaking the law all these years. That would not be right. Surely Mohamet, may peace be upon him, would not condone such a thing. But I am sure that he would agree to it if Mr. Trump invites us to it."

"Faisal, your mother should have commanded you to blow yourself up in a crowded Paris nightclub. Then you would have been of some use. Sometimes, maybe often, you can be such a fool."

Yeah, it "would be seen" as an invitation by idiots and propagandists.
Because you so want to believe your beloved's portrayal of Trump as unreliable and lacking proper temperament, you fail to see how adroit he is at making his adversaries, including her, look like the ones who are the fools to average folks who will vote. On the stage that counts, he is calculating, and he is appealing to those who seem to be invisible to the "smart," Progressive minded folks. Most folks would not be aware, subliminally or consciously, of a so-called "invitation" to foreign countries to hack U.S. emails in Trump's comments. They would actually accept what he said in the way he intended it to be accepted.

But "smart" folks, like you, who desperately want him to be dumb, temperamental, treasonous, whacked, will twist his comments and concoct something that verifies how you all paint him to be, no matter how silly that is when actually examined. And you all are so "smart" you believe your concoction. At least you convince yourself to believe it.

His temperament is just fine. He is handling all the stuff thrown at him in ways that make his popularity grow.

It's yet another in a long string of reckless comments that demonstrate why he doesn't have the temperament to be POTUS.

It's yet another in a long string of poor judgments that Hillary was unable to determine something as easy as "what is a government document" . . . if her "judgement on what was a government record" in her deleted emails was so obviously and egregiously wrong, that would demonstrate why she does not have the judgment to be POTUS.