Trump

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

But You like other Trump supporters don’t get to separate Trumps deeds into convenient packages to excuse away his behaviors than claim he’s a poor victim or you like his policy’s.

Why don't we get to do that?

It's exactly what democrats do with Bill Clinton, Hilary Clinton, and Biden.

But as always, it's OK when you do it, only problematic when we do it.

My God, when Bill Clinton was president, all I ever heard from the left was "ignore his moral lapses, his policies are what matters as president". And I agreed with that, and still do.

Can you be consistent for three seconds?

Who here is excusing his behavior? His personal behavior is inexcusable. But his policies, well they worked. I know you don't like to have to think about this, but a record-number of Americans said they were better off after 4 years of Trump. Gallup does that poll every 4 years, and never before in the history of that poll, have more Americans said they were better off after 4 years of a president, I think it was 56% or 58% who said they were better off. And that was at a bad time on the pandemic.

What does that poll mean to you? I'm curious to know.

[Pete F.]

I’m no attorney, but this whole Republicans forging fake documents in five different states to try and certify Trump won 2020 election seems more than just a little bit illegal and also a lot insane.
I’m sure there’s no coordination and that they’re all formatted the same is purely coincidental.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

this whole Republicans forging fake documents in five different states to try and certify Trump won 2020 election seems more than just a little bit illegal

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I'm sure they will all go to jail as a result of the investigations by the democrats running congress and the partisan democrat running the justice department, you have nothing to fret about really....relax #BareShelvesBiden

[wdmso]

Pressed on his election lies, former President Trump cuts NPR interview short

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

I'm sure they will all go to jail as a result of the investigations by the democrats running congress and the partisan democrat running the justice department, you have nothing to fret about really....relax #BareShelvesBiden

Classic denialism it runs deep with a few here .. and now you like the rest of the GOP and conservatives crowd are stuck on nick names with an unwillingness to help their fellow Americans via policy or any other methods improve their lives Yelling inflation while sitting on their hands in the hopes it gets worse and they will get some votes

America 1st What a joke

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

GOP and conservatives crowd are stuck on nick names with an unwillingness to help their fellow Americans via policy or any other methods improve their lives

Trump did nothing to help Americans. Lower taxes, generationally low unemployment (record low for blacks), stock market soaring, not getting us involved in questionable wars, criminal justice reform, school choice, increased funding for black colleges, working with private sector in creating infastructures for covid testing and vaccines, none of that helped a single American.

Why are Biden and congressional democrats polling so badly, if they clearly want what's best for all Americans?

Other than the stock market (which is obviously doing great), what other metrics are there that would indicate things are better now than they were a year ago?

Inflation is now at a 40 year high, but you don't want to mention it. Because you don't care about reality, you care about what helps democrats.

The reality is, the country doesn't buy your nonsense that conservatives hate everybody, and that conservatism can't be of any value. Only the fringe left, well represented here, believe that. Look at how republicans do in state and federal elections across the country. How do you explain that?

We had the biggest jerk, by far, to ever serve in DC, in Trump. Yet after he got creamed in 2020, the GOP still has almost half the house, half the senate, and a majority of governorships and state legislatures. Every single poll indicates the GOP is going to do well in November. How do you explain that?

And again, which states are people leaving, which states are they moving to? I forgot, they move because people want low taxes, and that has no connection to politics at all.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

I'm sure they will all go to jail as a result of the investigations by the democrats running congress and the partisan democrat running the justice department, you have nothing to fret about really....relax #BareShelvesBiden

Glad to know that in your view, the law is applied on political lines. That has been quite evident for the past 5 years.

They need to be more worried about the investigations being done by Federal and State attorney generals.

Because anyone who prepared or submitted, or aided, abetted or conspired in the preparation or submission of, false electoral-vote certificates, would presumably be guilty of a host of federal and state criminal offenses.

[wdmso]

Trump Warns GOP to 'Solve the Problem' of Our Elections, or Risk Losing
Former President Donald Trump says "RINOs" and "losers" want to solely focus on future elections, instead of correcting the 2020 pandemic election ills.

The sitting president who got the most votes in history — and lost — warns those so-called Republicans in Name Only who do not learn from the "corrupt election" are doomed to repeat it.

people will still vote for this man then say they love America in the same sentence ... is it wrong to call that an oxymoron

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Trump Warns GOP to 'Solve the Problem' of Our Elections, or Risk Losing
Former President Donald Trump says "RINOs" and "losers" want to solely focus on future elections, instead of correcting the 2020 pandemic election ills.

The sitting president who got the most votes in history — and lost — warns those so-called Republicans in Name Only who do not learn from the "corrupt election" are doomed to repeat it.

people will still vote for this man then say they love America in the same sentence ... is it wrong to call that an oxymoron

For the 100th time, it's interesting how you bash Trump for making false claims about the lection being illegitimate. But when Democrats say the same thing (which they've said in some way for each of the last few elections they've lost), you could care less.

Did you once complain when democrats called Trump an illegitimate president after 2016? Or when they asked electors not to vote for the winner in their states? Or when they challenged the elections in several states with no valid reason, other than they hated who won?

All of that was OK with you. Just harmless stunts when democrats do it. end of the republic when orange man does it.

[PaulS]

In an interview with far-right cable channel One America News, Trump said he received the booster and has seen politicians get asked in interviews whether they’ve also gotten a third shot.

“They don’t want to say it because they’re gutless,” Trump said. “You gotta say it, whether you had it or not. Say it. But the fact is that I think the vaccines saved tens of millions throughout the world. I’ve had absolutely no side effects.”

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

But You like other Trump supporters don’t get to separate Trumps deeds into convenient packages to excuse away his behaviors than claim he’s a poor victim or you like his policy’s. But your trying very hard .. this is not about knowing Trump personally it has no bearing on the conversation

I didn't create any packages, convenient or otherwise. I didn't "excuse away" (that's your loaded characterization) his behaviors. I didn't claim he is "a poor victim" (that's your loaded and deceptive verbiage). I'm not "trying very hard", I'm easily stating what I believe, not what that caricature of me in your head supposedly believes. Your hallucination of me may think his support is personally for Trump, but the actual me knows that I don't know Trump personally, but I preferred his policies over those of any Progressive party or Progressive politician.

I "support" him as a person only in how I support anyone who is falsely or unfairly accused--especially when it is meant to destroy him--and for the typical dirty political motive of gaining power.


So let me get this correct what happened on Jan 6th supported and encouraged by Trump and those around him

I presume the figment of me created by your myopically geared brain actually believes that Trump supported and encouraged the riot. I, the actual me, don't believe he encouraged and supported a riot, and that is the "correct" me that you are unable (or unwilling) to "get".

Yet You see people looking to hold Trump accountable. For Trumps actions and behaviors before during and after the elections and today as (non-objective politically loaded accusation)

The "You" who you claim is doing the seeing, is the fictional one in your head. The flesh and blood real "You" (me) doesn't view Trump's actions and behaviors to be same as how the "You" flailing about in your head sees them.

But Trumps action do not raise to be classified as “typical dirty political motive of gaining power.”

Interesting

Setting aside that I never said that Trump was not capable of dirty political tricks to gain power, you may find the opinion of your imaginary me to be interesting. I find your perception of most things you've expressed on the political forum to be leftist media regurgitation.

And I've found that any invitation I've given you to truly discuss actual constitutionalism and the Progressive threat to it, is basically given short shrift or avoided. And, the real me, believes that is the pertinent political discussion to be had in our time. This focus on a constant delusional bickering about personalities (accurately or prejudicially portrayed) and which unconstitutionally based policies are the best or worst is the continued path to the destruction of our Republic, and the continued path to the replacement of the United States into the unitary United State. I think we ought to be discussing whether or not we should be protecting a system of limited government with separation of powers at the national level, and separation of powers between the national and local levels, and the ultimate separation of power between government and the individual.

As a little attempt to start such a discussion, I asked "If you wish to point out what was unconstitutional, or unoriginal [as in originalism] about what you consider Trump's attempt to "overthrow" the election". As I suspected, that is of no interest to you. It seems to be good enough for you to just say or imply that his actions are unconstitutional.

[scottw]

best headline of the latest bad week for brandon..33% approval and 40 year high inflation

Old Man Yells at Cloud

The more Biden shouted and sputtered yesterday in Georgia, the more America went ‘Huh?’

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

best headline of the latest bad week for brandon..33% approval and 40 year high inflation

Old Man Yells at Cloud

The more Biden shouted and sputtered yesterday in Georgia, the more America went ‘Huh?’

the most underreported story in my opinion, polling shows democrat support is deteriorating for hispanics.

if hispanics turn right, man oh man, watch how the left changes their tune on immigration. they’ll build a wall, put in a moat with sharks, deport every last one of them, put them on a one way, high speed train to Tierra Del Fuego.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by scottw

best headline of the latest bad week for brandon..33% approval and 40 year high inflation

Old Man Yells at Cloud

The more Biden shouted and sputtered yesterday in Georgia, the more America went ‘Huh?’

I'm sure he and President Harris will fix it, this is what winning looks like, dontcha know
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[scottw]

happiest guy on the planet is Jimmy Carter

[wdmso]

In refusing to testify to the House select committee examining Jan. 6, House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy may well be helping to cover up potential crimes committed by Donald Trump.

America 1st not if your in the GOP shocking


love all the deflection from the usual suspects who Support liers . than complain about inflation which the Republicans say they care about! but provide zero actions or Ideas in either the House or the Senate ... Imagine that the GOP willing to let all americans Suffer for a few votes leadership at its worse

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

America 1st not if your in the GOP shocking


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you should write bumper stickers...this is very clever...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

complain about inflation which the Republicans say they care about! but provide zero actions or Ideas in either the House or the Senate ...

Republicans have no suggestions about inflation? Sometimes (not enough) they want to curtail federal spending and printing of money. Printing trillions and trillions, fuels inflation. Chapter 1 of any economics text, talk about the effect of supply & demand on cost/price. When you have a massive supply increase of something (like dollars), the cost/value of those dollars, goes down.

It's not rocket science. But you won't learn about it by reading the Daily Worker or Pravda every morning.

[wdmso]

Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes charged with seditious conspiracy in Jan. 6 Capitol riot


As expected it’s all about the leadership

[scottw]

hard to imagine how brandon's week could get worse...but it's only thursday

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes charged with seditious conspiracy in Jan. 6 Capitol riot


As expected it’s all about the leadership

safe to say no one will ever put that guy in charge of anything again

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Republicans have no suggestions about inflation? Sometimes (not enough) they want to curtail federal spending and printing of money. Printing trillions and trillions, fuels inflation. Chapter 1 of any economics text, talk about the effect of supply & demand on cost/price. When you have a massive supply increase of something (like dollars), the cost/value of those dollars, goes down.

It's not rocket science. But you won't learn about it by reading the Daily Worker or Pravda every morning.

Ok Jim now yet again Republicans are fiscal hawks.. your right it’s not rocket science to see that GOP will hurt American families if they can just to own the libs in the process ! and their followers will cheer them because they are beyond gullible and also think they to are owing the libs

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Ok Jim now yet again Republicans are fiscal hawks.. your right it’s not rocket science to see that GOP will hurt American families if they can just to own the libs in the process ! and their followers will cheer them because they are beyond gullible and also think they to are owing the libs

conservatives are for fiscal
responsibility. politicians often abandon principles to win elections

kind of like being rabidly in favor of the fillibuster, then opposing it when you don’t like it.

but again, you only care about hypocrisy when the other side does it. shocker.
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[Pete F.]

Yesterday, the right said we couldn’t call J6 an insurrection because because nobody was charged with sedition.

Today, the right says the concept of a conspiracy, which has been an element of every legal system in the world since Hammurabi 4,000 years ago, should be abolished.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Yesterday, the right said we couldn’t call J6 an insurrection because because nobody was charged with sedition.

Today, the right says the concept of a conspiracy, which has been an element of every legal system in the world since Hammurabi 4,000 years ago, should be abolished.
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if those guys were smart they would have hired the Chaz/Chop crew as consultants...now THOSE guys knew how to take over a chunk of real estate with force and real guns and then control it for a while, even setting up their own interim government

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Today, the right says........

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you are starting to sound like wayne....

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Yesterday, the right said we couldn’t call J6 an insurrection because because nobody was charged with sedition.
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It would be inaccurate to refer to the J6 riot as a whole as an insurrection because it was not a coordinated effort. There may have been a few third rate or less insurrectionists in the crowd but most were not and were not even all not only not coordinated with each other, but had different motives. That does not make J6 an insurrection. Nor has anyone been convicted of sedition yet. If and when someone is, he might be referred to as an insurrectionist, but that does not make the riot an insurrection.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by detbuch

It would be inaccurate to refer to the J6 riot as a whole as an insurrection because it was not a coordinated effort. There may have been a few third rate or less insurrectionists in the crowd but most were not and were not even all not only not coordinated with each other, but had different motives. That does not make J6 an insurrection. Nor has anyone been convicted of sedition yet. If and when someone is, he might be referred to as an insurrectionist, but that does not make the riot an insurrection.

is is true that in the indictment, the people charged with sedition who were being surveilled and monitored by the feds recorded their expressed anger with trump for not maintaining power and had decided they were going to have to act on their own?...doesn't sound like they were coordinating with anyone other than their
little band of nuts

is it true that trump authorized the use of the national guard for the 6th and that pelosi and bowser refused? pelosi had been suggesting trump supporters were terrorists for years you'd think she would have welcomed the extra security

that guys with the eye patch tho'....reminds me of when the South Park kids decided they wanted to be pirates so they went to Somalia

there were apparently three additional men from Florida charged recently...that will make pete happy....they were charged with "civil disorder"

The term "civil disorder" means any public disturbance involving acts of violence by assemblages of three or more persons, which causes an immediate danger of or results in damage or injury to the property or person of any other individual.

This sounds remarkably like the democrats and their friends during the 574 declared riots during the democrat summer of love

[Pete F.]

I would suggest you read the insurrectionist conspiracy charge. It states conduct that precedes and postdates January 6. So it extends the story in either direction toward planning if 1/6 and continued planned violence after.
Then watch the conspirators lawyers interview, where he claims they where just waiting for orders.

Where would they have gotten the idea that Trump would use the Insurrection Act like Rhodes’ attorney suggested today? Who told them that was a possibility??

You would almost think the DOJ was conducting investigations with intention, quietly and then charging people when they had evidence against them that was significant.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I would suggest you read the insurrectionist conspiracy charge. It states conduct that precedes and postdates January 6. So it extends the story in either direction toward planning if 1/6 and continued planned violence after.
Then watch the conspirators lawyers interview, where he claims they where just waiting for orders.


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pete, do you know if these seditionists entered the capitol?