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Originally Posted by PaulS

Raider Ronnie,

It must suck to hate your country so much that you'd want to break it in 2. I wonder how the red states will pay their bills w/o the blue states to subsidize them.

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Paul, the red states own most of the oil, natural gas, and farmland. They also own 90% of the trade with south america and most of the industry in the US.

I guess Paul missed that part of the trade about who would get who. I think he also missed that the separation was not about hate but mutual disagreement--an amicable "divorce." Maybe he was just projecting his own emotion.

The subsidies you reference dont come from blue states, they come from all states and its not just blue paying into the pot. If we didnt have all these federal programs and taxes, maybe there wouldnt be a need for subsidies?

Good point. And subsidies not only create their own need, they are a method of controlling. They are not entirely about nice-nice.

[PaulS]

I didn't miss anything. Sounds like conjecture on your part.

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Originally Posted by PaulS

I didn't miss anything. Sounds like conjecture on your part.

Yes, it is conjecture on my part, I don't pretend to know what is precisely on your mind. That's why I said that I GUESS you missed the part about who would get what (which would reasonbly allow the red states to do without subsidies), and the part that went "Our two ideological sides of America cannot ever agree on what is right for us all, so let's just end it on friendly terms. We can smile and chalk it up to irreconciliable differences and go our own way."

I didn't see any "hate" there and "conjectured" that maybe you missed that part. Apparently, I was wrong. You missed nothing and came to the conclusion that it was about hate. I apologize for my misconception.

[PaulS]

Still sounds like hate to me, no matter how it was written. I love my country and would not want anyone leaving just b/c they have different politics. Apparently, ronnie and john Wall feel differently.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Still sounds like hate to me, no matter how it was written. I love my country and would not want anyone leaving just b/c they have different politics. Apparently, ronnie and john Wall feel differently.

so lets look at this.

PaulS starts his own company. He is sucessful has annual revenues of 1-2M, he employs 10 people. has 2 wonderful kids, buys a big house, buys a lake house, buys a few boats. he works hard and rewards himself. He pays his share of taxes his whole life.
PaulS at 70 yrs old passes away, shortly after his beautiful wife also passes.
His children are 35 and 40 yrs old, they are on their own, own careers, own families. They inherit their parents estate valued at 5 million.
In comes the US government - 55% or 2,750,000 is ours - you have 9 months to pay us. Knock, knock - its the state - you owe us 10% estate tax - you have 9 months to pay.
Assets are sold, the lake house, the boats, the cars, etc. legal fees to dispose of the estate stack up. Pauls childnre watch their parents lives be sold off in chunks, everythign they dreamed sold to pay Uncle Sam. - In the end the grand life savings of PaulS equates to about 1.5M to his family, his grandkids, his relatives, charities. The government seized all his other assets.
What a great country!
Thats not politics Paul, this is reality. That is robbery. I wont stand for it.

[PaulS]

Nice story but trusts and life insur. would have taken care of much of the tax issue. Highlights the issue of estate planning (of which I'm certainly not an expert).

However, while you say you won't stand for it, your not leaving the country or I can't recall and doubt you advocating ceding from it. You might complain and try to do something about it - which is your right and prob. your responsibility in a democracy.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Nice story but trusts and life insur. would have taken care of much of the tax issue. Highlights the issue of estate planning (of which I'm certainly not an expert).

However, while you say you won't stand for it, your not leaving the country or I can't recall and doubt you advocating ceding from it. You might complain and try to do something about it - which is your right and prob. your responsibility in a democracy.

BullShat - I know this stuff - estate planning wont protect against that. Dont you think the government would take care of that?

My responsibility Paul? Im outnumbered! I CANT change that! thats what this thread is all about!
Did you notice you didnt even argue whether its right or wrong? You dont care if the governent ROBS people of their life.