Liberals and Romney's taxes

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

But Jim thinks it's settled science so I guess we should just move on.

-spence

Spence, I never said "let's move on". What I have said is this...given the available data, it is preposterous for liberals to claim they care more about poor people than conservatives do. Liberals only make such rhetorical, inflammatory statements, when they know thay cannot debate the merits of whatever conversation is taking place. It's a conversation-stopper, like accusing someone of racism...

COnservatives could just as easily (more easily, given the data) claim that liberals don't care about poor people. But that's not one of the pillars of conservatism, whereas you can't watch MSNBC for 3 minutes without some liberal jerk claiming that liberals have a monopoly on caring about the poor.

I'm sorry your side keeps behaving so horribly, but don't make up for it by putting stupid words in my mouth.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Spence, I never said "let's move on". What I have said is this...given the available data, it is preposterous for liberals to claim they care more about poor people than conservatives do. Liberals only make such rhetorical, inflammatory statements, when they know thay cannot debate the merits of whatever conversation is taking place. It's a conversation-stopper, like accusing someone of racism...

COnservatives could just as easily (more easily, given the data) claim that liberals don't care about poor people. But that's not one of the pillars of conservatism, whereas you can't watch MSNBC for 3 minutes without some liberal jerk claiming that liberals have a monopoly on caring about the poor.

I'm sorry your side keeps behaving so horribly, but don't make up for it by putting stupid words in my mouth.

This isn't rocket science.

Democrats typically place more value on the ability of government to bring strength of the collective. This may be as simple as belief in Federal college loans and grants to help educate our children to build a strong economy.

Yes, there are a lot of moving parts when you really analyze it, but some assertion you can't prove doesn't invalidate it.

-spence

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

This isn't rocket science.

Yes, rocket science has to operate under certain laws and certainties established over time and through testing and experience, and their effect on the natural world. Politics as practiced today, especially progressive politics, is quite different. Established laws based on human nature as observed, tested, and experienced over time are discarded for untried theories, wishes, and whims.

Democrats typically place more value on the ability of government to bring strength of the collective.

Yes, given the record of time and experience, history is replete with examples of the collective strength backed by government as an oppressive power against individual freedom, and a sapping of individual strength

This may be as simple as belief in Federal college loans and grants to help educate our children to build a strong economy.

History and experience has shown that Federal college loans have fueled the rise in their price. And that collectivism over individualism eventually tends to create stagnating economies with bloated governments that weaken economies rather than building vibrant ones.

Yes, there are a lot of moving parts when you really analyze it, but some assertion you can't prove doesn't invalidate it.

-spence

Whatever.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

This isn't rocket science.

Democrats typically place more value on the ability of government to bring strength of the collective. This may be as simple as belief in Federal college loans and grants to help educate our children to build a strong economy.

Yes, there are a lot of moving parts when you really analyze it, but some assertion you can't prove doesn't invalidate it.

-spence

I can prove that liberals think that conservatives don't care about the poor (they say that all the time). And I can prove that theory is bullsh*t. That's all I was trying to prove, and it's easy to prove. Everything else you say is a pathetic attempt to cloud that reality.