Obama is a scumbag

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Hi Dad! Dodging the main issue as usual, I see!!

Obama personally demonized Paul Ryan, and that's a fact. I pointed that out, and your response is that I shuoldn't go after Obama like that, because no one was allowed to go aftr Bush like that?

No, you Totally missed my point (Yet Again) and that wasn't even close to my response. I had no problem w/ you stating what you did.

My problem is why were other people crucified and called unamerican for saying derogatory things about one president but it is A-OK to do it about another. I'm just looking for consistency, that's all...is that to much to ask

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

First of all, my criticism of Obama is based on what he just did this week. If my interpretation of what Obama did is incorrect, please tell me why. I'm reasonable, and willing to listen. Bit Obama said that Ryan wants to "pit kids with Down's Syndrome against the billionaires of our society". Since Ryan's plan obviously doesn't do that, I have serious issues with Obama demonizing Ryan that way.

Absolutely nothing wrong with you having issues w/ this.....Thats what this board is for

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Second, Dad, you're saying that the personal attacks against Bush were widely denounced because of a call for civility? Please enlighten me, Dad...when liberals were comparing Bush to Hitler, calling him a war criminal, from where did the calls for "respect" come from? Who are the people you are referring to? In my opinion, it's liberal apologists like you who (1) mercilessly attacked Bush, and who (2) don't want anyone attacking Obama, that want it both ways.

1st I thought that was a ridiculous, stupid comparison.

2nd The calls for respect came from members here in the past....saying we shouldn't be dissing the President because, well, he's the president......just wondering why this doesn't count the other way...that's all.....again, just looking for a little consistency.

...and once again, because I didn't kiss somebodies Self-Annointed Red,White, and Blue A$$......I'm a Liberal...love it....the great comeback on this board....never gets old

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Finally, Dad, instead of analyzing every single post of mine for hypertechnical errors, can you, just once, JUST THIS ONE TIME, respond to the point I made? And that is this...why does Obama demonize Ryan personally, instead of responding to the merits (or lack thereof) of Ryan's proposal?

Because thats how he operates....does that make you feel better now. Its not a secret....do you just need people to agree with you. I never said I was an Obama Fan....but everybody like to assume it as I go forward with my quest for consistency

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You are extremely tiresome...you never, ever respond to the points being raised, presumably because you know that you cannot. You didn't want to comment on how disgusting Obama's attack on Ryan was, so instead, you call me a hypocrite for pointing it out? Ever hear of the term "intellectual cowardice"? That's how you usually respond to my posts here.

A- I can't comment on it because I didn't see it yet.
B- I never called you a hypocrit....where above did I call YOU a hypocrit
C- and again with the Coward card....Gee, didn't see that comin
D- As far as Tiresome....thats the Pot calling the Kettle Black right there....you do know there is an Ignore function you can use if I bother you so much...god knows my mouse pointer is hovering over it right now.

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

This is too funny to be fiction. As a state senator in Illinois, Obama literally supported a Mom's right to kill her baby AFTER it was born (see the Born Alive Infants Protection Act). But Obama gets to demonize Paul Ryan by saying that Ryan wants children to die to make rich folks richer? That's great. A guy who quite literally supported infanticide gets to falsely accuse someone else of being that monstrous.

Thats typical Political Hypocrisy at work....again, where above did I say anything supporting this above.....or even in the past.

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Maybe Ryan should support infanticide. After all, Obama did, and lots of people voted for him. I guess infanticide doesn't violate any of the liberal agenda...

What I gotta know is how the hell did you come up with all this from what I posted above...seriously....thats a stretch from what I said

[Raven]

me 2
can't stand to hear him
utter a single word.

[JohnR]

Jim in CT - I am no Obama supporter - didn't vote for him and I'm pretty confident I won't in the next round unless the alternative is REALLY bad. Then conscience will probably dictate a write-in.

What I can say is that while I agree with you on some posts and points, I'm getting more and more brain cramps the more I read them.

I would recommend to you that in order to get more points by people that may agree with you or at least to get people to consider your points, that you take your foot off the throttle a bit. You being a former Marine (I'm told there is no such thing as an "Ex-Marine") probably understand all too well what happens when the comm nets are jammed with everyone screaming at once. Right now, I can't hear you. Too much noise and not enough signal. S/N ratio is way too high.

I'm not saying this as JohnR, Chief Cook & Bottle Washer @ S-B. I'm saying this as JohnR, someone that want to see healthy and fairly civilized debate.

[fishbones]

Anyone who doesn't like Obama must be a racist.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by fishbones

Anyone who doesn't like Obama must be a racist.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Jim in CT - I am no Obama supporter - didn't vote for him and I'm pretty confident I won't in the next round unless the alternative is REALLY bad. Then conscience will probably dictate a write-in.

What I can say is that while I agree with you on some posts and points, I'm getting more and more brain cramps the more I read them.

I would recommend to you that in order to get more points by people that may agree with you or at least to get people to consider your points, that you take your foot off the throttle a bit. You being a former Marine (I'm told there is no such thing as an "Ex-Marine") probably understand all too well what happens when the comm nets are jammed with everyone screaming at once. Right now, I can't hear you. Too much noise and not enough signal. S/N ratio is way too high.

I'm not saying this as JohnR, Chief Cook & Bottle Washer @ S-B. I'm saying this as JohnR, someone that want to see healthy and fairly civilized debate.

Duly noted.

How is this...

(1) Paul Ryan submitted a proposed budget with big spending cuts, and obviously his plan is consistent with conservative principles, which many will not like.

(2) Obama responded by saying that the proposed budget would have disabled kids fending for themselves.

(3) Nowhere in Ryan's budget does it say anything of the sort.

(4) Given (2) and (3), I claim that Obama is making baseless, allegations, ones that are designed to make the GOP look heartless. This is ironic to me, since many studies show that conservatives give much more time and money to charity than liberals (see the definitive book/study on the issue called "Who Really Cares").

(5) I don't ever recall George Bush demonizing his political opposition like that. He may have done it, but I don't recall it.

(6) Since Obama proclaimed to be the only one in the 2008 election who could bring our country together, I don't see why he then paints Republicans as the folks who don't care about disabled kids. Either Obama genuinely believes that, or he is a liar. There is no other alternative, is there.

(7) i find it particularly troubling that Obama is painting Republicans as not caring about kids. Since Obama is the most rabid pro-abortion president we have ever had (he literally supported infanticide as a state senator), I find it interesting (for lack of a better word) that he would claim that his party has the moral high ground on the issue of who cares most about kids.

If I was an unborn baby with Downs, and I could choose between being put in Michelle Obama's womb or the womb of Paul Ryan's wife, I'm pretty confident that I'd know which path would lead to a chance at a happy life, and which path would end up with my getting butchered.

I'll try John, I will.

[JohnR]

More signal, less noise. Thank you, sir.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnR

More signal, less noise. Thank you, sir.

You were right, and your point was one I needed to receive, as my wife tells me all the time.

[Fly Rod]

TRUMP in 2012!!!!!