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I don't smoke so I really don't care but all tobacco users will pay higher Healthcare premiums in 2011 at my company because they use tobacco (even an occasional Cigar on the Golf Course). If they say they don't use and get caught, they can be terminated.
People who participate in "Extreme Sports" as hobbies carry a higher premium too, sky diving, motor cycle riding, mountain climbing, skiing, etc (fishing isn't on there yet). If you say you don't do these things to not pay the higher premium and get hurt doing them, you are not covered by insurance. I guess the saft bet is to sit on the couch and watch TV all day.
Where will it end?? I can tell you that the fat people I work with are getting nervous because they will be next. "You are overweight and you are a health risk so your premium will now cost more"
What about drinking a beer? Will that be next too?
The reason for these changes is all because the dink in the oval office wants some of the people to pay for healthcare for all of the people.................sounds socialist to me
"I know a taxidermy man back home. He gonna have a heart attack when he see what I brung him!"
I don't smoke so I really don't care but all tobacco users will pay higher Healthcare premiums in 2011 at my company because they use tobacco (even an occasional Cigar on the Golf Course). If they say they don't use and get caught, they can be terminated.
People who participate in "Extreme Sports" as hobbies carry a higher premium too, sky diving, motor cycle riding, mountain climbing, skiing, etc (fishing isn't on there yet). If you say you don't do these things to not pay the higher premium and get hurt doing them, you are not covered by insurance. I guess the saft bet is to sit on the couch and watch TV all day.
Where will it end?? I can tell you that the fat people I work with are getting nervous because they will be next. "You are overweight and you are a health risk so your premium will now cost more"
What about drinking a beer? Will that be next too?
The reason for these changes is all because the dink in the oval office wants some of the people to pay for healthcare for all of the people.................sounds socialist to me
Good. You take part in risky behaviors, you should pay a higher rate. I'm 27, hardly ever seriously sick, never broken a bone, fit, eat well, don't smoke and have low cholesterol. Yet I have to pay the same rates as some fat ass who eats at McDonald's every day, smokes a pack of day, gets their exercise by their multiple trips to the fridge, probably has diabetes and heart disease.
They should make it like car insurance, force people with unhealthy habits to pay a surcharge. What's socialist about it is that everyone is treated the same regardless of their health.
They should make it like car insurance, force people with unhealthy habits to pay a surcharge. What's socialist about it is that everyone is treated the same regardless of their health.
Thats how they do life insurance. evil socialist life insurance I guess
Bryan
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"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
What's socialist about it is that everyone is treated the same regardless of their health.
And not everyone is treated the same regardless of there wealth. The few pay for the many.......not fair. Pretty soon, there is too many to pay for.
An extreme activity sports person is not driving up health care. It is people who don't take care of themselves.
I pretty much agree with you, but where do you draw the line. We now have DNA testing to see if you are predisposed to cancer. Should everyone get that at birth to see what their insurance should be?
As a side note, take a listen to this clown:
"I know a taxidermy man back home. He gonna have a heart attack when he see what I brung him!"
THAT CLOWN DOESN'T EVEN PAY RENT!!!! He was outed several days later that he's stiffed every landlord he's ever had!!
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Originally Posted by Piscator
And not everyone is treated the same regardless of there wealth. The few pay for the many.......not fair. Pretty soon, there is too many to pay for.
An extreme activity sports person is not driving up health care. It is people who don't take care of themselves.
I pretty much agree with you, but where do you draw the line. We now have DNA testing to see if you are predisposed to cancer. Should everyone get that at birth to see what their insurance should be?
I pretty much agree with you, but where do you draw the line. We now have DNA testing to see if you are predisposed to cancer. Should everyone get that at birth to see what their insurance should be?
The line is exactly where I said it should be, for people with unhealthy lifestyles - smokers, drug users, the sedentary and the obese.
The line is exactly where I said it should be, for people with unhealthy lifestyles - smokers, drug users, the sedentary and the obese.
my grandmother is fat, drank and smoked her whole life, she is 84 and lives on her own. Her daughter, my mom, exercised daily, non-smoker, white bread wasnt allowed in my house, alfalfa sprouts were the norm, died at 65 from cancer.
my grandmother is fat, drank and smoked her whole life, she is 84 and lives on her own. Her daughter, my mom, exercised daily, non-smoker, white bread wasnt allowed in my house, alfalfa sprouts were the norm, died at 65 from cancer.
Exceptions to the rule. So the average fat smoker is healthier than the average person that eats well and is fit?
The line is exactly where I said it should be, for people with unhealthy lifestyles - smokers, drug users, the sedentary and the obese.
An unhealthy life style is in the eye of the beholder. Fishing the canal several nights in a row is not very healthy. How about the goverment take care of defense and infrustructure and stay the hell out of my fridge. Damn, they make a killing with "sin" taxes and some think it's great.
Funny article on NPR today about the hempheads in CA NOT wanting the legalization proposition as it would make it good for big business and taxation but bad for the small guy that grows the weed today. Legalized Pot's Unlikely Supporters: Moms And Cops : NPR
An unhealthy life style is in the eye of the beholder. Fishing the canal several nights in a row is not very healthy. How about the goverment take care of defense and infrustructure and stay the hell out of my fridge. Damn, they make a killing with "sin" taxes and some think it's great.
The health benefits of being a smoker, obese, and using drugs is in the eye of the beholder?
You're absolutely nuts if you think the average person who is 100lbs overweight won't have higher health care costs over their lifetime than a person.
Exceptions do not make up the rule. Sure, I have met people that smoked for 65 years and lived into their 80s. I've met a whole lot more people that had family members smoke and died in their 50s.
There are people that eat garbage every day and will live to be 90. There are far, far more people that eat garbage and will have their first hear attack or stroke in their 50s.
More than half of Americans are overweight. Diabetes rates are going through the roof.
Why should I - a person who exercises, eats well, and rarely sick even though I work a desk job - pay the same rates as someone that is overweight or a smoker?
So the same government who provides the most unhealthy school lunch program in the world will make you pay more for healthcare for being fat?
Yup, I get it now............
This government has absolutely no common sense and too many loafer citizens & non-citizens looking for a free ride. No way they can manage or should be managing a Healthcare system. The best run institutions are run privately.
Hey, like the government, I'm not perfect, but I get it right at least some of the time.
Last edited by Piscator; 10-26-2010 at 11:40 AM..
Reason: Forgot about the non-citizens :)
"I know a taxidermy man back home. He gonna have a heart attack when he see what I brung him!"
The health benefits of being a smoker, obese, and using drugs is in the eye of the beholder?
You're absolutely nuts if you think the average person who is 100lbs overweight won't have higher health care costs over their lifetime than a person.
Exceptions do not make up the rule. Sure, I have met people that smoked for 65 years and lived into their 80s. I've met a whole lot more people that had family members smoke and died in their 50s.
There are people that eat garbage every day and will live to be 90. There are far, far more people that eat garbage and will have their first hear attack or stroke in their 50s.
More than half of Americans are overweight. Diabetes rates are going through the roof.
Why should I - a person who exercises, eats well, and rarely sick even though I work a desk job - pay the same rates as someone that is overweight or a smoker?
JD, haven't I seen you smoking a cigar before?
Conservatism is not about leaving people behind. Conservatism is about empowering people to catch up, to give them tools at their disposal that make it possible for them to access all the hope, all the promise, all the opportunity that America offers. - Marco Rubio
Why should I - a person who exercises, eats well, and rarely sick even though I work a desk job - pay the same rates as someone that is overweight or a smoker?
Because JD, it would be profiling, discriminatory and not PC.
Good. You take part in risky behaviors, you should pay a higher rate. I'm 27, hardly ever seriously sick, never broken a bone, fit, eat well, don't smoke and have low cholesterol. Yet I have to pay the same rates as some fat ass who eats at McDonald's every day, smokes a pack of day, gets their exercise by their multiple trips to the fridge, probably has diabetes and heart disease.
They should make it like car insurance, force people with unhealthy habits to pay a surcharge. What's socialist about it is that everyone is treated the same regardless of their health.
Whats socialist about it is that its NONE OF THE GOVTS BUSINESS. Let the market do its thing.
All of this is EXACTLY why government should not be involved in insurance or healthcare. We get dangeroulsy close to infringing on the rights of citizens.
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