Alvin

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by striperman36

For those of you looking for a new boat, the USS Independence is offering tours this week while at Pier 2 in Newport.

DAMN! Id like to both Independence and Alvin. Alvin , because it is history and a marvel of engineering, Independence, because hopefully they'll kill the overpriced ferry (LCS2) and gas-guzzler (LCS1) and find a far more suitable and less expensive alternative to the LCS program. What a Charlie-Foxtrot that will only get sailors killed.

I will state of the two LCS candidates, I prefer LCS-2 - not that the Navy is asking or nothin'

[striperman36]

Originally Posted by JohnR

DAMN! Id like to both Independence and Alvin. Alvin , because it is history and a marvel of engineering, Independence, because hopefully they'll kill the overpriced ferry (LCS2) and gas-guzzler (LCS1) and find a far more suitable and less expensive alternative to the LCS program. What a Charlie-Foxtrot that will only get sailors killed.

I will state of the two LCS candidates, I prefer LCS-2 - not that the Navy is asking or nothin'

Oh come on now, what other USS boat can you use as a container ship, and ferry them anywhere in the world at 50 kts?
I also do not want to try and retrieve the chopper in CAT 5 seas.

It's comparatively cheap, 220 million a pop, only if the Navy stops changing it's mind

Oh and the Danforth off the bow for wreck fishing is extra

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by striperman36

Oh come on now, what other USS boat can you use as a container ship, and ferry them anywhere in the world at 50 kts?
I also do not want to try and retrieve the chopper in CAT 5 seas.

It's comparatively cheap, 220 million a pop, only if the Navy stops changing it's mind

Oh and the Danforth off the bow for wreck fishing is extra

They can't do 50 KTS, even though that was an overreaching desgn spec. They were supposed to be 220 each and are over 700 mil WITHOUT mission packages. They require the cream of the crop to run but then they cut that cream to a lean crew and don't have enough people to do other missions. They have nowhere near enough protection, their offensive capability is crapped with the the short range missile being kaput (NLOS), they have the thin skin of a ship not likely to fair well in the littorals against guys with RPGs in skiffs.

700 Million each before the ASW module goes in, the Minesweeper module (800mil for a $^@*#& minesweeper??), or the ASuW module. Wonder how cheap those new chinese Fast patrol craft would run. Bet they kick the crap out of LCS.

Though LCS2 is REALLY sexy.

What we need to do is NOT do buck rogers projects like LCS or JSF where we cripple ourselves on stuff so expensive we can't buy what we need. And this was before we got into this budget crisis and foolish spending by every other government sector.


Don't get me started

[striperman36]

Originally Posted by JohnR

They can't do 50 KTS, even though that was an overreaching desgn spec. They were supposed to be 220 each and are over 700 mil WITHOUT mission packages. They require the cream of the crop to run but then they cut that cream to a lean crew and don't have enough people to do other missions. They have nowhere near enough protection, their offensive capability is crapped with the the short range missile being kaput (NLOS), they have the thin skin of a ship not likely to fair well in the littorals against guys with RPGs in skiffs.

700 Million each before the ASW module goes in, the Minesweeper module (800mil for a $^@*#& minesweeper??), or the ASuW module. Wonder how cheap those new chinese Fast patrol craft would run. Bet they kick the crap out of LCS.

Though LCS2 is REALLY sexy.

What we need to do is NOT do buck rogers projects like LCS or JSF where we cripple ourselves on stuff so expensive we can't buy what we need. And this was before we got into this budget crisis and foolish spending by every other government sector.


Don't get me started

they make good trolling vessels

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by striperman36

they make good trolling vessels

Again, don't get me started - This is a key example why acquisition is all blanked up. Well, and the JSF.

[PaulS]

I parked right near there when I went to MV yesterday and was dying to go in but didn't have the time.