Is this the Place?

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by Karl F

never say never Larry.. and i'm freaking bull-headed...but i converted.. i'm drinking the hydro now..

Never,ever thought i would hear that.
"The End" must be near.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by justplugit

Never,ever thought i would hear that.
"The End" must be near.

2012 is the new beginning ....not the END

i like hydro Karl .....much better than Booze.

[numbskull]

Good mornin'. I'm here, but should be drilling. Got church in an hour, not all that religious but whatever.

As for a topic for today....how about lips. These things drive me crazy. So many guys make "copies" that are not true to the original. Sure if you build your own thing using the lip as the base you can do OK, but if you want to copy something old you are out of luck.

There are good Lefty (actually Musso) lips available.
Salty's conrad lip is perfect.
The large Pikie lip is great.........but one with a mid slot hole would be greater yet for us guys who like surface swimmers.
Perfect surfster lips are available.

Nobody makes an accurate mid or small danny lip. The medium danny lips available are wider, longer, and with a slightly higher hole than the lips that are used on medium Pichney, Lupo, BM surface swimmer.....which are as perfect a bass lure as you can find.

There is no match for the large conrad, or the BM cowboy/ Bm version A40.

Yeah, yeah......I know if you are doing your own thing you can use what is out there and be happy. But a lot of us enjoy copying and fishing stuff that is no longer available. Yes, for any one or two, or six plugs you can cut your own lips....but if you want to make multiples you are out of luck.

So how do I go about making my own dies?

[BigFish]

I remember meeting Bob Pond and his wife Avis at RISSA a few years ago when John Habs brought them to the show (which I thought was nice of John) and so many got to meet Bob and his wife and shake his hand and thank him for all he did! I know I did! They were both very pleasant people at the show. Unfortunately I do not own any of his fine work?? Maybe Capesams or Vineyard Blues will post some of their great collections at some point? I hope so!

Numby I use NJ's lefty lips on my small Danny's.....they work pretty great!

[Tagger]

Not sure Numby whats involved for cost .. Zappa clone probably knows ,, GRS makes his own lips .

[Slipknot]

Hi all
good idea Larry
but I have to run along myself so no time for me to do any pics, gotta get to the game. see ya later

[BigFish]

I have not gone much further on my Nike's? I need to turn some more and start getting some done for PlugFest!

[Tagger]

here ya go Larry ... This is all i have .. The flatter nose 40's were trailer made along the bank of the CC Canal ,, I believe close to where BSP is now .. The more refined round nose 40 was made in Attleboro shop . I don't have (looking for) a trolling model wich is visaully straighter shaped on the tail ,,wich is tail weighted ,,. I stole the Jr. for 50 of epay .. It always puzzled me these early 4 yrs. of Atom wood went so cheap on epay ..9.99 - 19.99 .. unless it was mint in the box .. see what happens now ,, Pleez correct me if any of the above untrue ... all word of mouth .. God Bless Bob Pond ..

[BigFish]

Thanks for sharing those Ed! Very nice examples!

[Tagger]

Originally Posted by BigFish

Thanks for sharing those Ed! Very nice examples!

Yea Larry .. never had them all together .. now that I see the pic and just checked plug ,,I believe the top one is the Troller ,, fatter and straighter line on the arse .. not sure ,,, weighs 2.9 ... others 2.7 ,2.4.. Could just be wood weight inconsistent ..

[pbadad]

Here are some old A-40's from the late 50's w/ a couple of my repros and some early 70's A-jrs & the plastic version A54B(blk) with 2 copies of the jr & 54B. We can't forget the infamous Atom blue/white popper.I think everyone I know had one in their bag or boat growing up.

[eastendlu]

Originally Posted by numbskull

Good mornin'. I'm here, but should be drilling. Got church in an hour, not all that religious but whatever.

As for a topic for today....how about lips. These things drive me crazy. So many guys make "copies" that are not true to the original. Sure if you build your own thing using the lip as the base you can do OK, but if you want to copy something old you are out of luck.

There are good Lefty (actually Musso) lips available.
Salty's conrad lip is perfect.
The large Pikie lip is great.........but one with a mid slot hole would be greater yet for us guys who like surface swimmers.
Perfect surfster lips are available.

Nobody makes an accurate mid or small danny lip. The medium danny lips available are wider, longer, and with a slightly higher hole than the lips that are used on medium Pichney, Lupo, BM surface swimmer.....which are as perfect a bass lure as you can find.

There is no match for the large conrad, or the BM cowboy/ Bm version A40.

Yeah, yeah......I know if you are doing your own thing you can use what is out there and be happy. But a lot of us enjoy copying and fishing stuff that is no longer available. Yes, for any one or two, or six plugs you can cut your own lips....but if you want to make multiples you are out of luck.

So how do I go about making my own dies?

Good afternoon all
George an easier way is to flatten a lip you want and get a sheet metal shop with a N/C laser or water jet to make as many as you want with the slot were you want it for about a $1.00 or so a piece and bend them yourself.I know a couple of places with some friends working or owning the shops.If you have something you want let me Know i can get you pricing.

[numbskull]

Laser, eh? Do they sell those on Craig's list?

[numbskull]

Nice plugs, Ted. Look like they "fit the lip" better than the actual originals did. How wide did you make them?

[the greek]

Originally Posted by numbskull

Nice plugs, Ted. Look like they "fit the lip" better than the actual originals did. How wide did you make them?

I made the plug as wide as the lip at the widest point which is where the rear taper starts. I like the one I did from pine the best. That is the yellow one. I made the others from cypress and they weigh exactly the same as the pine one. Swim is different. I know I should have expected it but it surprised me how different. I can get the pine one to swim subsurface and is pretty stable but the cypress ones won't leave the top. They are also pretty unstable and will roll out if cranked hard but leave a big wake with alot of tail wag. These are my first attempts at a forty and at least I have somewhere to go from here. I wish I had access to some of the older plugs like you guys seem to have. Trying to find them let alone people to bounce ideas off here is difficult at best here.

[Jigman]

Originally Posted by numbskull

...Nobody makes an accurate mid or small danny lip....

The Cape Cod tackle small danny lip has worked well for me. Use them on a 1 1/2 oz danny that I do. Dont know how it matches up with the dannys you were thinking about, but it might be worth a try.

Jigman

[go4broke44]

lu, wheres the paint shaker pics?

looking forward to seeing it

[eastendlu]

LOL i will take them later today and post them up.