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[spence]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

On the news the other day it was said that it will cost approximately 13% per person of your yearly income for this universal health. That could be very expensive for a family of four depending on a persons income.

Put this way you're making it sound like this would be a "new" 13% tax which is misleading. Most importantly the plans discussed so far would be progressive in nature.

Here's the big problem.

Today we spend over 15% of our GDP on health care which is dramatically higher than any other nation on the planet. The US rankings for life expectancy, infant mortality, overall health care performance etc... are all pathetically low. We are also the only industrialized nation to not provide coverage to all citizens.

The one thing we do excel in is responsiveness, but this is coming at a frightening cost.

With current rates of spending, there's plenty of money in the "system" to provide good care.

I can't believe some of the numbers of people who like their present health insurance. I've got what should be decent coverage through BCBS and my out of pocket expenses have gone through the roof the past two years. Easily over a grand on basic stuff this year alone for the family, not to mention the countless hours spent yelling at the insurance company as they seem to magically find ways to deny nearly every other claim.

-spence

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

The US rankings for life expectancy, infant mortality, overall health care performance etc... are all pathetically low.
-spence

THIS IS A LIE, AMERICANS DRIVE MORE AND WE HAVE A HIGH MURDER RATE, NEITHER HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH HEALTHCARE BUT BOTH DRASTICALLY REDUCE LIFE EXPECTANCY NUMBERS OVERALL COMPARED TO OTHER NATIONS, BACK THOSE NUMBERS OUT COMPARITIVELY AND SEE WHERE WE STAND...ALSO, INFANT MORTALITY IS DEFINED DIFFERENTLY IN DIFFERENT COUNTRIES, WE TRY TO SAVE CHILDREN AT MUCH EARLIER STAGES THAN OTHER COUNTRIES AND MANY EARLY DELIVERIES ARE NOT EVEN CONSIDERED IN THE MORTALITY RATES IN OTHER COUNTRIES..CHECK THE FACTS...ALL OF THOSE RANKINGS FOR THE US ARE ALL REMARKABLY HIGH WHEN FAIRLY COMPARED TO ELSEWHERE...MORE SPINCE BS...WHY DON'T YOU JUST MOVE TO CUBA WHERE YOU CAN ENJOY ALL THAT YOU DESIRE?????

[spence]

Actually, rankings like these tend to factor in deaths preventable by treatment, life expectancy adjustments for those born with disabilities etc...

If you have data that contradicts the generally cited research, please share...otherwise you're just full of hot air.

Some people react to info like this as if it's anti-American or something which is beyond me. For some there is terrific health care in the US, that's the the point. The question is that considering how much more it costs us, are we any better off for it?

-spence

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

If you have data that contradicts the generally cited research, please share...otherwise you're just full of hot air.

-spence

you are full of something far more offensive....you demand facts and accuracy from others and continually lie your ass off...must be a prerequisite for liberal progressives, you claim to "lean libertarian" and then start a sentence with " what should the government enforce"....the only truth for you is the bs that furthers the agenda, your "generally cited research" is from the UN, the world's most corrupt organization....being disingenous is a game for you like Obama, Pelosi, Reid and the rest..all LIARS....lies through smarmy smirks to forward a radical agenda...


"The US rankings for life expectancy, infant mortality, overall health care performance etc... are all pathetically low"

THIS IS A LIE...a despicable lie.....meant to tear down our healthcare system in order to replace it with your socialist version....

For "some" there is terrific health care in the US....THIS IS AN INTENTIONALLY MISLEADING LIE...

HOW ABOUT CITING THE "GENERALLY CITED RESEARCH" SHOWING THE NUMBERS OF AMERICANS THAT ARE HAPPY WITH THEIR HEALTHCARE AND HEALTH INSURANCE ....DUMBASS




The Politico
September 25, 2009
Categories: Senate

Ensign receives handwritten confirmation

This doesn't happen often enough.

Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.) received a handwritten note Thursday from Joint Committee on Taxation Chief of Staff Tom Barthold confirming the penalty for failing to pay the up to $1,900 fee for not buying health insurance.

Violators could be charged with a misdemeanor and could face up to a year in jail or a $25,000 penalty, Barthold wrote on JCT letterhead. He signed it "Sincerely, Thomas A. Barthold."

The note was a follow-up to Ensign's questioning at the markup

[spence]

Wow, you were successful in both being an ass and not adding any value to the conversation.

Perhaps you just think two negatives always do make a positive?

-spence

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Wow, you were successful in both being an ass and not adding any value to the conversation.

Perhaps you just think two negatives always do make a positive?

-spence

NO SENSE IN ARGUING WITH A COMPULSIVE LIAR

"We are also the only industrialized nation to not provide coverage to all citizens." SPENCE

ANOTHER TWISTED LIE....we provide care to all citizens and non- citizens.....there are a lot of countries where you have "coverage" and can't get "care".....I'll take care over coverage any time....

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by scottw

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HOW ABOUT CITING THE "GENERALLY CITED RESEARCH" SHOWING THE NUMBERS OF AMERICANS THAT ARE HAPPY WITH THEIR HEALTHCARE AND HEALTH INSURANCE ....DUMBASS

List of countries by infant mortality rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Life Expectancy for Countries — Infoplease.com
FOXNews.com - U.S. Trails Others in Health Care Satisfaction - Health News | Current Health News | Medical News (GASP FOX NEWS DURING the BUSH years.....)

[scottw]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

List of countries by infant mortality rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Life Expectancy for Countries — Infoplease.com
FOXNews.com - U.S. Trails Others in Health Care Satisfaction - Health News | Current Health News | Medical News (GASP FOX NEWS DURING the BUSH years.....)

"The US rankings for life expectancy, infant mortality, overall health care performance etc... are all pathetically low." SPENCE


world life expectancy average 66.6....US... 78.1 highest Macau 84.4

Fox reported a study by the Commonwealth Fund(a longtime Universal Heaalthcare Advocate) of 7000 people in 5 countries....

By Todd Zwillich, reviewed by Brunilda Nazario, MD

SOURCES: “The Commonwealth Fund 2004 International Health Policy Survey of Primary Care in Five Countries,” Commonwealth Fund, Oct. 28, 2004. Cathy Schoen, vice president, Commonwealth Fund. Carolyn M. Clancy, MD, director, Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality. The Honorable John Hutton, MP.

you couldn't find anything more up to date than 2004????


the facts just don't match Spence's mindless rhetoric

"The US rankings for life expectancy, infant mortality, overall health care performance etc... are all pathetically low." SPENCE

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by scottw

THIS IS A LIE, AMERICANS DRIVE MORE AND WE HAVE A HIGH MURDER RATE, NEITHER HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH HEALTHCARE BUT BOTH DRASTICALLY REDUCE LIFE EXPECTANCY NUMBERS OVERALL COMPARED TO OTHER NATIONS, BACK THOSE NUMBERS OUT COMPARITIVELY AND SEE WHERE WE STAND...ALSO, INFANT MORTALITY IS DEFINED DIFFERENTLY IN DIFFERENT COUNTRIES, WE TRY TO SAVE CHILDREN AT MUCH EARLIER STAGES THAN OTHER COUNTRIES AND MANY EARLY DELIVERIES ARE NOT EVEN CONSIDERED IN THE MORTALITY RATES IN OTHER COUNTRIES..CHECK THE FACTS...ALL OF THOSE RANKINGS FOR THE US ARE ALL REMARKABLY HIGH WHEN FAIRLY COMPARED TO ELSEWHERE...MORE SPINCE BS...WHY DON'T YOU JUST MOVE TO CUBA WHERE YOU CAN ENJOY ALL THAT YOU DESIRE?????

If you have quantitative proof, I'd be interested to see it. (But without the CAPS Lock key, as it's quite difficult to read)