Oh flock...

[scottw]

and the BIG difference between the horribly mean talking interrogator and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is that Mohammed WOULD ACTUALLY happily kill your children ...

I think we need to release some details of Al Qaeda interrogations...for a little of that "context" you're always yapping about

[justplugit]

Hmm, timing an investigation at the peak of the HC dissent by the astro turfs,
could this be the old "broken wing" trick?

[Fly Rod]

We all know that the threats were frivolous. Spence, see if you could find out how many American lives were or maybe have been saved with the info from that type of interrogation saved.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by scottw

and the BIG difference between the horribly mean talking interrogator and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is that Mohammed WOULD ACTUALLY happily kill your children ...

I think we need to release some details of Al Qaeda interrogations...for a little of that "context" you're always yapping about

Right, because if they can do it, why shouldn't we?

With your logic, we should be able to abduct family members of possible terrorists and then send them videos of us beheading their loved ones.

Personally, I see no problems with the above CIA interrogation techniques.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Right, because if they can do it, why shouldn't we? I never said that, the threat from my standpoint and I assume yours is not likely to be carried out, simply meant to scare or intimidate...however, the threat from KSM's standpoint may sound entirely creadabile because he himself is capable of such a thing and in the culture that he is immersed in this is certainly a reality...

With your logic, we should be able to abduct family members of possible terrorists and then send them videos of us beheading their loved ones. you are really reaching....your imagination is scaring me, I cited context because again, verbal threats are hardly as severe as what KSM's folks are capable of...never suggested that we resort lowering to their level

Personally, I see no problems with the above CIA interrogation techniques.

but Spence and MSNBC are all "WEE, WEED UP" over words, just words......pretty sad


and yes, this was released to placate and coalesce the base that is wandering away from "God's Partner"....Panetta was hardly amused....

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

but Spence and MSNBC are all "WEE, WEED UP" over words, just words......pretty sad

Yea, cause MSNBC made it all up...

http://www.foxnews.com/topics/politi...techniques.htm

and yes, this was released to placate and coalesce the base that is wandering away fron God's Partner....

Perhaps the scariest thing you've ever posted. Thanks for showing your true colors...

-spence

[scottw]

Perhaps the scariest thing you've ever posted. Thanks for showing your true colors...

-spence

what the hell are you talking about Hot Bottom?
I never said it was "made up", just that you are all "wee weed up"
JD IS mainstream

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Personally, I see no problems with the above CIA interrogation techniques.

If JohnnyD is OK with the techniques, I would guess that the "mainstream" would also have no objections. I would suspect that most Americans would expect this sort of thing, not be shocked or horrified by it. I, also, agree with JohnnyD.

[Cool Beans]

Originally Posted by scottw

and the BIG
I think we need to release some details of Al Qaeda interrogations...for a little of that "context" you're always yapping about

You mean like the humane way they interogated Nick Berg?


If you search for it its there, but DO NOT WATCH THE VIDEO!!! Once you do, you cant un-watch it... It will be stuck in your brain,,, hearing him scream and plead for his life.... There is a Huge difference between us and them.......

[spence]

Originally Posted by Cool Beans

There is a Huge difference between us and them.......

Are you a complete idiot, or is tonight just a bad night?

-spence

[Cool Beans]

Originally Posted by spence

Are you a complete idiot, or is tonight just a bad night?

-spence

Maybe in your eyes.....

What ever we did or do to those involved is perfectly fine with me, if it saved or saves live in the US....

You wanna jump on the "screw America band wagon" every chance you get... They did what they did, and we did what we had to.. ...

So is today, Spence's day to be a total "ass"? or are you having a bad day?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Cool Beans

You wanna jump on the "screw America band wagon" every chance you get...

That's just the lamest sort of BS there is. A weak cop out to avoid a little thought.

Force you to admit your %$%$%$%$ might stink the least bit and you just wrap the flag tighter around your own neck.

These images were created and published for YOUR CONSUMPTION in the hope that you might compromise what you claim to value most.

And you still don't see it.

-spence

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

These images were created and published for YOUR CONSUMPTION in the hope that you might compromise what you claim to value most.-spence

You have stated something to the effect that you are not interested in what was working 70 years ago but what works for today. I don't know what TODAYS American values most, or claims to value most, but the founding of this country was based on the proposition that what was most valuable was life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Life was risked and lost for that proposition, and an attitude of "don't tread on me" was born of it. I don't know what the murderers of Nick Berg thought Americans value most, but the guy who did the cutting found that he stepped on the wrong folks. I don't know if he was some keen philosopher that had insight into the American psyche. Maybe, he thought all Americans are like you, and he published his horror in hopes that SUCH Americans would compromise whatever you all claim to value most. Obviously, since you don't approve of the CIA's methods, he didn't succeed. Most assuredly, he didn't scare us away because he didn't understand what the OTHER Americans value most.

[EarnedStripes44]

Originally Posted by detbuch

You have stated something to the effect that you are not interested in what was working 70 years ago but what works for today.

Over my head; what do you mean "not interested in what was working 70 years ago?".

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

You have stated something to the effect that you are not interested in what was working 70 years ago but what works for today. I don't know what TODAYS American values most, or claims to value most, but the founding of this country was based on the proposition that what was most valuable was life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Life was risked and lost for that proposition, and an attitude of "don't tread on me" was born of it. I don't know what the murderers of Nick Berg thought Americans value most, but the guy who did the cutting found that he stepped on the wrong folks. I don't know if he was some keen philosopher that had insight into the American psyche. Maybe, he thought all Americans are like you, and he published his horror in hopes that SUCH Americans would compromise whatever you all claim to value most. Obviously, since you don't approve of the CIA's methods, he didn't succeed. Most assuredly, he didn't scare us away because he didn't understand what the OTHER Americans value most.

What I find so interesting is that those who claim to hold their principals highest (i.e. the rule of law) also seem to be the first to cast them aside when it suits their interests.

We can't defend our freedoms if we have not foundation from which to fight. Always believing that the ends justify the means makes us just like them...

Re posting graphic images, in the hopes of influencing action without thought - is doing just that.

-spence

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

That's just the lamest sort of BS there is. A weak cop out to avoid a little thought.

Force you to admit your %$%$%$%$ might stink the least bit and you just wrap the flag tighter around your own neck.

These images were created and published for YOUR CONSUMPTION in the hope that you might compromise what you claim to value most.

And you still don't see it.

-spence

you are making absolutely no sense, but this is fun...Spence Alynski, why do you hate America so much, you clearly sympathize with the terrorists, thanks for showing YOUR true colors ????

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by scottw

you are making absolutely no sense, but this is fun...Spence Alynski, why do you hate America so much, you clearly sympathize with the terrorists, thanks for showing YOUR true colors ????

and why do you hate America so much that you'll throw 230 years of having the moral high ground away to be like a bunch of POS terrorists.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by scottw

and the BIG difference between the horribly mean talking interrogator and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is that Mohammed WOULD ACTUALLY happily kill your children ...

I think we need to release some details of Al Qaeda interrogations...for a little of that "context" you're always yapping about

And operators will kill women and children.
A job is a job.