From the most liberal state in the country

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

and one person is to blame, Barak Obama. He promised health care reform, he campaigned on being a uniter and he is the ultimatley the man in charge. Dont blame Dems or Repubs. The buck stops with Obama.

And if health care reform fails (which it is on track to right now), it will certainly be his fault. But to say the level of blatant attacks by both parties lies on his shoulders is 100% his fault, I disagree.

You can force people to work together, but you can't make them get along.

Do I think he has reached across the aisle more so than his predecessor? I certainly do. Is he the grand uniter of Congress that he tried to make himself out to be? Not a chance.

Health care needs to be reformed and some form will pass in the House and Senate, but Republicans won't effectively moderate the plan if they don't turn down the venom and start being constructive.

Right now the Democrats have a 5-on-3 power play and it looks like the Republicans are making the idiot move of taking out their goalie.

[Fishpart]

Interestingly enough I heard Barney say to a guy who asked about healthcare reform "I don't need to negotiate with you, I negotiate with people who have votes and you don't have any."

[Joe]

I don't see what the healthcare debate has to do with the Nazis and death panels - sorry.
It shows the gullibility of people when you can reach for the worst possible comparison, regardless of relevance, and people will take it on face value and parrot it off as the truth.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Fishpart

Interestingly enough I heard Barney say to a guy who asked about healthcare reform "I don't need to negotiate with you, I negotiate with people who have votes and you don't have any."

I watched the clip, it was a little flip but nothing to make a big deal about. He was just saying he wasn't going to give up his position on the issue to a reporter!

-spence

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by spence

I watched the clip, it was a little flip but nothing to make a big deal about. He was just saying he wasn't going to give up his position on the issue to a reporter!

-spence

Spence, Frank is nothing but a politically entitled, arrogant, loud mouth pompous jerk who looks down on any of his constituents who don't see things his way. He has shown time and time again that when someone has the audacity to question him, he gets pissed off and belittles them with petty insults. He's one of the greatest arguments for term limits in Congress.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by fishbones

Spence, Frank is nothing but a politically entitled, arrogant, loud mouth pompous jerk who looks down on any of his constituents who don't see things his way. He has shown time and time again that when someone has the audacity to question him, he gets pissed off and belittles them with petty insults. He's one of the greatest arguments for term limits in Congress.

You could replace "Frank" with just about any politician.

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

You could replace "Frank" with just about any politician.

Not true, JD. As much as I don't trust most of them, I don't expect to see or hear them acting like him. Most of them are good enough liars and/or actors to come across better in public than Frank.

[Fly Rod]

Originally Posted by fishbones

Spence, Frank is nothing but a politically entitled, arrogant, loud mouth pompous jerk who looks down on any of his constituents who don't see things his way. He has shown time and time again that when someone has the audacity to question him, he gets pissed off and belittles them with petty insults. He's one of the greatest arguments for term limits in Congress.

Right on!

Nobody took Barney to task for screwing up Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. If he couldn't get that right, he certainly would not get health insurance right.