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Did you see the video? She was a kook and Frank let her have it...great stuff
-spence
i'm not focused on the kook (although thats what the media will focus on), most of the other attendees were just pissed. I heard one man this morning on the radio tell Frank that he is unemployed and worried about healthcare, but that is HIS problem and not anyone elses, what right does he have to put his problems on the other people in the room.
My feelings exactlty. Notice how Frank says the "average" taxpayer will not see an increase.
:I heard one man this morning on the radio tell Frank that he is unemployed and worried about healthcare, but that is HIS problem and not anyone elses, what right does he have to put his problems on the other people in the room.
Don't you think in the greatest country in the world, if he is/was/is a hardworking guy who happens to be out of work there ought to be programs in place to keep him covered??
I'm not pro-freeloading, and without calling healthcare a privilege or a right (that is a separate debate!), I think people in his shoes should have the opportunity to still be covered without it being as expensive as his rent/mortgage! If that means a gov't program or reform to reduce the outrageous costs, I'm all for it.
I've kept quiet on this because as busy as I am I have not had the time to read the bill as closely as ScottW, JohnnyD, Spence etc... (you guys need to get a life ) and don't have a big enough grasp to post; I don't like to spout off...
I did find it interesting that one of the people on the Pro-side is a physician, and one of the people on the Con side was 82~
as a commentary, it is unfortunate that the media on both sides (Fox and everyone else) focuses on the kooks.
Bryan
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"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
as a commentary, it is unfortunate that the media on both sides (Fox and everyone else) focuses on the kooks.
In its current form, I'm about 80% against this bill. I believe most of the aspects in it don't address the proper issues, and the issues that are addressed aren't effectively changed. Your above comment is my biggest issue with this whole health care debate.
This has turned into two clans of apes throwing feces at each other. Instead of addressing issues within the bill and giving examples that could improve them, the argument has been "Obama is a socialist and want panels of people to kill my grandma" and "Republicans are the party of no, stirring trouble just for the sake of it."
It's like two groups of children fighting on the playground. Until it stops and *constructive criticism* develops, we won't be able to create effective health care reform.
For all the pissing and moaning I have heard from the Republicans, I can't remember seeing a single one identifying an issue in the bill and recommending an alternative solution and why.
Like I tell my employees, "When you come to me with a problem, bring a suggestion for a solution."
It's like two groups of children fighting on the playground. Until it stops and *constructive criticism* develops, we won't be able to create effective health care reform.
For all the pissing and moaning I have heard from the Republicans, I can't remember seeing a single one identifying an issue in the bill and recommending an alternative solution and why.
Like I tell my employees, "When you come to me with a problem, bring a suggestion for a solution."
and one person is to blame, Barak Obama. He promised health care reform, he campaigned on being a uniter and he is the ultimatley the man in charge. Dont blame Dems or Repubs. The buck stops with Obama.
and one person is to blame, Barak Obama. He promised health care reform, he campaigned on being a uniter and he is the ultimatley the man in charge. Dont blame Dems or Repubs. The buck stops with Obama.
And if health care reform fails (which it is on track to right now), it will certainly be his fault. But to say the level of blatant attacks by both parties lies on his shoulders is 100% his fault, I disagree.
You can force people to work together, but you can't make them get along.
Do I think he has reached across the aisle more so than his predecessor? I certainly do. Is he the grand uniter of Congress that he tried to make himself out to be? Not a chance.
Health care needs to be reformed and some form will pass in the House and Senate, but Republicans won't effectively moderate the plan if they don't turn down the venom and start being constructive.
Right now the Democrats have a 5-on-3 power play and it looks like the Republicans are making the idiot move of taking out their goalie.
Interestingly enough I heard Barney say to a guy who asked about healthcare reform "I don't need to negotiate with you, I negotiate with people who have votes and you don't have any."
“It’s not up to the courts to invent new minorities that get special protections,” Antonin Scalia
I don't see what the healthcare debate has to do with the Nazis and death panels - sorry.
It shows the gullibility of people when you can reach for the worst possible comparison, regardless of relevance, and people will take it on face value and parrot it off as the truth.
Interestingly enough I heard Barney say to a guy who asked about healthcare reform "I don't need to negotiate with you, I negotiate with people who have votes and you don't have any."
I watched the clip, it was a little flip but nothing to make a big deal about. He was just saying he wasn't going to give up his position on the issue to a reporter!
) and don't have a big enough grasp to post; I don't like to spout off...
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