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08-18-2009, 10:14 AM
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For anyone who really thinks there is a "death panel" provision in the bill, please copy and paste it here. I read the entire section that supposedly included the death panel verbage. While it could certainly be interpreted as doctors having the power to decide who is a good candidate to kill off because they are old and frail, you'd really need to be on the fringe to believe it.
I'm as opposed to the government taking over health care as anyone, but I'm not going to fabricate statements to make the bill look worse than it already is. The section that's being misinterpreted by the Rush's of the world actually talks about end of life counseling and options for people who have terminal illnesses and their families. It's there to help people deal with a very difficult time, not to kill off old, sick people. Even the government wouldn't try to sneak a passage into the proposal that would allow them to murder people. Keep in mind that even terminally ill people may be able to vote.
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08-18-2009, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by fishbones
For anyone who really thinks there is a "death panel" provision in the bill, please copy and paste it here.
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Not one of them will be able to because they're just going by what Rush, Palin and Conservative radio have told them.
Or as Cool Beans stated, Rush says that conveniently, the death panel portion was very recently taken out.
Fortunately, I have a copy of the pre-congressional recess proposal that has these supposed death panel clauses in them. If anyone can't find the section in the "newly revised to cover up the death panels" version, I can send them the copy I have.
Last edited by JohnnyD; 08-18-2009 at 10:38 AM..
Reason: spelling
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08-18-2009, 10:46 AM
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Did anyone else see the story on how IBD (Investors Business Daily) reported that had Steven Hawking lived in the UK, his severe multiple sclerosis would have caused the state to deny benefits because of his diminished value to society...and we would have lost a brilliant mind.
Except they forgot to read up that Hawking was born and has always lived in the UK, and praises the quality of care the socialistic system has provided 
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08-18-2009, 10:52 AM
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The death panel interpretation is straight out of Mein Kampf - a classic "Big Lie." A lie so colossal that no one would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously".
They've done a great job of redefining the issue. Now it's not about healthcare, it's about being opposed to death panels. I think we can all agree, death panels would be bad.
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08-18-2009, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Joe
The death panel interpretation is straight out of Mein Kampf - a classic "Big Lie." A lie so colossal that no one would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously".
They've done a great job of redefining the issue. Now it's not about healthcare, it's about being opposed to death panels. I think we can all agree, death panels would be bad.
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which lie are you referring to? Is that the one where the Nazis looked at the Jews and said "death camps"? "Why, you'd have to be crazy and on the fringe to believe something like that.... there are no ovens and anyone that tells you that is part of a conspiracy"..."now step over here and keep quiet"...
I think if you scored it by democrat/chicago standards(the death panel lable)...it was a huge success... |
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08-18-2009, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by scottw
which lie are you referring to? Is that the one where the Nazis looked at the Jews and said "death camps"? "Why, you'd have to be crazy and on the fringe to believe something like that....there are no ovens and anyone that tells you that is part of a conspiracy"..."now step over here and keep quiet"...
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Bring on the proof then. And not some BS commentary where they are adding the the death panel fabrications, not some reference to "I heard on the radio this morning", or "Rush told me to mad about this".
Actual Section and Line numbers. With so many Conservatives talking about it, they must be referencing an exact section of the bill.
scottw, if you can show us all undeniable proof within the bill that death panels exist, and not some obtuse interpretation of vague wording, then I will not post in the Political Forum until November. |
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08-18-2009, 11:23 AM
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Interestingly enough, with the President who PROMISED more transparency in government, we can't find the current bill anywhere. But we can find a brilliant advertising campaign at whitehouse dot gov....
How we doing with throwing the lobbists out of Washington as promised on the campaign trail????....Oh Yeah, now they all hold cabinet level appointments as tzars without Senate oversight, thats pretty transparent....
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08-18-2009, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Fishpart
Interestingly enough, with the President who PROMISED more transparency in government, we can't find the current bill anywhere. But we can find a brilliant advertising campaign at whitehouse dot gov....
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It took me 2 seconds to find it on google. Been available for weeks now. |
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08-18-2009, 01:50 PM
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Keep The Change
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Originally Posted by JohnnyD
It took me 2 seconds to find it on google. Been available for weeks now.
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Exactly what I am saying....you had to use Google to SEARCH, why post the SPIN at Whitehouse dot gov and not a link to the bill......
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“It’s not up to the courts to invent new minorities that get special protections,” Antonin Scalia
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