OBAMA gets TOUGH

[Fishpart]

Jimmy, the OBOTS will never understand... To make this thing work there needs to be some incentive on the demand side, you just can't heap the responsiblility onto the producers.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by Fishpart

Jimmy, the OBOTS will never understand... To make this thing work there needs to be some incentive on the demand side, you just can't heap the responsiblility onto the producers.

Paying 25% less in fuel costs isn't an incentive?

A tax benefit provided by many states for people buying a hybrid is not an incentive?

Did the large increase in demand for hybrids coincidentally coincide exactly with a massive increase in gas prices, and then demand decrease as prices at the pump decreased?

Let's not forget that while we may not see $4 at the pump this summer, when inflation skyrockets over the next year or two and the price of oil climbs ridiculously again, $5/gallon will become a very real possibility.

Seems like you're the one that doesn't understand.

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Paying 25% less in fuel costs isn't an incentive?

A tax benefit provided by many states for people buying a hybrid is not an incentive?

Did the large increase in demand for hybrids coincidentally coincide exactly with a massive increase in gas prices, and then demand decrease as prices at the pump decreased?

Let's not forget that while we may not see $4 at the pump this summer, when inflation skyrockets over the next year or two and the price of oil climbs ridiculously again, $5/gallon will become a very real possibility.

Seems like you're the one that doesn't understand.

Johnny, are you saying that the government should try to bully people into buying cars they don't want because of tax incentives? If the car companies made a car I liked in a hybrid, I'd consider it. But at this point, there isn't a hybrid that suits my wants/needs.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by fishbones

Johnny, are you saying that the government should try to bully people into buying cars they don't want because of tax incentives? If the car companies made a car I liked in a hybrid, I'd consider it. But at this point, there isn't a hybrid that suits my wants/needs.

exactly! I bought an SUV in the middle of the highest gas prices. Why? I need it! I can't lug all my fishing gear, 4 bikes, cooler, etc in a mini cooper. Sure some bought SUVs becasue the were popular, but many need them for their lifestyle. Lets make fuel efficent powerful vehicles.

now really piss me off by telling me I need to change my lifestyle...........

[spence]

Originally Posted by fishbones

Johnny, are you saying that the government should try to bully people into buying cars they don't want because of tax incentives? If the car companies made a car I liked in a hybrid, I'd consider it. But at this point, there isn't a hybrid that suits my wants/needs.

Bully people? What planet have you been living on the past 30 years?

Your lifestyle isn't a product of freedom, it's a product of industry marketing.

-spence

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by spence

Bully people? What planet have you been living on the past 30 years?

Your lifestyle isn't a product of freedom, it's a product of industry marketing.

-spence

Why are you answering a question with a question? Do you read posts before responding?

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by fishbones

Johnny, are you saying that the government should try to bully people into buying cars they don't want because of tax incentives? If the car companies made a car I liked in a hybrid, I'd consider it. But at this point, there isn't a hybrid that suits my wants/needs.

I'm not saying that at all. First of all, American cars suck. Period. There is nothing on the market right now that suits my needs, is comfortable, has good performance and above average gas mileage - all while still being affordable. I asked my mechanic what type of cars he suggests to people looking to buy new, and he said "Toyota, Nissan or Honda" so people that repair the vehicles see this as well. Thus why I own a Japanese car.

I fail to see how providing a tax incentive to help the consumer more quickly recoup the added costs of a hybrid can be considered "bullying people".

With your logic, the government is bullying people to put solar panels on their homes because there is a tax rebate offered when you install solar power.

The government must also be bullying people to have children, due to the added tax write-offs for each child someone has.

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

With your logic, the government is bullying people to put solar panels on their homes because there is a tax rebate offered when you install solar power.

That doesn't make any sense at all. Is there going to be a requirement that all new homes use a certain percentage less energy by 2016? And anyways, solar panels wouldn't work on all homes.

[TheSpecialist]

Paying 25% less in fuel costs isn't an incentive?

Don't worry by the time this goes into effect, with the new gas taxes and all gas will be 10 bucks a gal and it will be a wash.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by fishbones

That doesn't make any sense at all. Is there going to be a requirement that all new homes use a certain percentage less energy by 2016? And anyways, solar panels wouldn't work on all homes.

There's no requirement that you have to buy an America car. What part doesn't make sense? You were saying that a tax incentive for buying a hybrid is the government bullying the consumer into buying a hybrid car they supposedly didn't want.

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

There's no requirement that you have to buy an America car. What part doesn't make sense? You were saying that a tax incentive for buying a hybrid is the government bullying the consumer into buying a hybrid car they supposedly didn't want.

This thread is about requiring certain MPG's for cars as of 2016. I made no mention of tax incentives.

But, since you brought it up, where does the money for the "tax incentives" for people who buy hybrids come from? Does the government sell cookies or magazines door to door? Or, do they set up a lemonade stand in front of the Capital building? I'd be curious to find out where all the "tax incentive" dough comes from.