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[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by spence

Hmmm, were these people getting screwed under Clinton, because as I remember they seemed to be doing quite well.

-spence

They're not doing so well now are they? Im not sure if you noticed but the retail, auto, travel, airlines, restaurant, housing and stock market are all in the crapper.
How "fair" is it to raise taxes now? Seems contrary to common sense.

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

They're not doing so well now are they? Im not sure if you noticed but the retail, auto, travel, airlines, restaurant, housing and stock market are all in the crapper.
How "fair" is it to raise taxes now? Seems contrary to common sense.

It has nothing to do with fairness, taxes would only be fair if your individual tax contribution was computed based your personal consumption of benefits.

The reality is that taxation is a variable used to manage a system, it's quite impersonal when you think about it.

-spence

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by spence

It has nothing to do with fairness, taxes would only be fair if your individual tax contribution was computed based your personal consumption of benefits.

The reality is that taxation is a variable used to manage a system, it's quite impersonal when you think about it.

-spence

man are you in denial

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

man are you in denial

You're not paying attention.

Fairness is a personal thing. I perceive my taxes to be fair or unfair, but the Government couldn't really care less what I think.

-spence

[striperman36]

Originally Posted by spence

You're not paying attention.

Fairness is a personal thing. I perceive my taxes to be fair or unfair, but the Government couldn't really care less what I think.

-spence

I agree just ask Nancy Peliosia or Coupe Deval or John Kerry or Barney Frank

[justplugit]

[QUOTE=spence;676370

Fairness is a personal thing. I perceive my taxes to be fair or unfair, but the Government couldn't really care less what I think.

-spence[/QUOTE]



And therein lies the problem-- Taxation without proper representation.

[bssb]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

They're not doing so well now are they? Im not sure if you noticed but the retail, auto, travel, airlines, restaurant, housing and stock market are all in the crapper.
How "fair" is it to raise taxes now? Seems contrary to common sense.

Yet when the economy bounces back and all these industries are making money again you won't want to raise taxes then either. Then it will be; "well, the economy is just getting going again you can't raise taxes now!" Then after things have been good for a while it'll be the same thing. Have you ever said that it would be a good time to raise taxes?

[buckman]

Originally Posted by bssb

Yet when the economy bounces back and all these industries are making money again you won't want to raise taxes then either. Then it will be; "well, the economy is just getting going again you can't raise taxes now!" Then after things have been good for a while it'll be the same thing. Have you ever said that it would be a good time to raise taxes?

At what point would you say we have paid enough?????

[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

At what point would you say we have paid enough?????

The flip side of course is how little it not enough?

The tax cut mantra of conservatives gets pretty silly at times. Not all tax cuts are good, if that was the case we'd have zero Government revenues and anarchy would soon ensue.

So Buck, how much are you comfortable paying?

-spence

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

The flip side of course is how little it not enough?

The tax cut mantra of conservatives gets pretty silly at times. Not all tax cuts are good, if that was the case we'd have zero Government revenues and anarchy would soon ensue.

So Buck, how much are you comfortable paying?

-spence

Well lets see: I pay income tax, property tax, I just paid a 5% tax for my sons truck, a 5% tax on most goods I buy, excise tax on boats, cars and trucks. tax on the cell phones, tax on fuel, tax on cable. Fees, fees and more fees on my daughters state college education. Do you want me to go on Spence, or maybe like 50% of my income is enough.

I don't think I have ever heard anyone but you ask if maybe we don't pay enough....

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by buckman

Well lets see: I pay income tax, property tax, I just paid a 5% tax for my sons truck, a 5% tax on most goods I buy, excise tax on boats, cars and trucks. tax on the cell phones, tax on fuel, tax on cable. Fees, fees and more fees on my daughters state college education. Do you want me to go on Spence, or maybe like 50% of my income is enough.

I don't think I have ever heard anyone but you ask if maybe we don't pay enough....

It's funny. Listing off the names of taxes is like listing off the names of all the plays a football team uses - Up the middle, off tackle, toss, sweep, trap, counter, go, post, flank, slant, hook, flat... a lot of the plays are very similar (just like many taxes are very similar in rate) but personnel resource allocation is adjusted (just as specific tax revenues are often allocated for specific purposes - think, gas tax for infrastructure).

You really do adhere to the "FoxNewsChannel School of getting a groundless point across", attempt to overwhelm your opponent with mundane facts then spin and manipulate those "facts" in an attempt to prove a weak point. Then there's also the aspect of never actually answering any question someone asks you but presenting the illusion you did - that must be taught in the advanced class.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

It's funny. Listing off the names of taxes is like listing off the names of all the plays a football team uses - Up the middle, off tackle, toss, sweep, trap, counter, go, post, flank, slant, hook, flat... a lot of the plays are very similar (just like many taxes are very similar in rate) but personnel resource allocation is adjusted (just as specific tax revenues are often allocated for specific purposes - think, gas tax for infrastructure).

You really do adhere to the "FoxNewsChannel School of getting a groundless point across", attempt to overwhelm your opponent with mundane facts then spin and manipulate those "facts" in an attempt to prove a weak point. Then there's also the aspect of never actually answering any question someone asks you but presenting the illusion you did - that must be taught in the advanced class.

If you think the gas tax money is only spent on infrastucture then your misinformed. I think like 45% maybe goes there.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

It's funny. Listing off the names of taxes is like listing off the names of all the plays a football team uses - Up the middle, off tackle, toss, sweep, trap, counter, go, post, flank, slant, hook, flat... a lot of the plays are very similar (just like many taxes are very similar in rate) but personnel resource allocation is adjusted (just as specific tax revenues are often allocated for specific purposes - think, gas tax for infrastructure).

You really do adhere to the "FoxNewsChannel School of getting a groundless point across", attempt to overwhelm your opponent with mundane facts then spin and manipulate those "facts" in an attempt to prove a weak point. Then there's also the aspect of never actually answering any question someone asks you but presenting the illusion you did - that must be taught in the advanced class.

I don't watch Fox News so I don't know about its School or if it does what you say, but the method of overwhelming an opponent with "facts" (whether they are actually facts or not) then moving on, and not answering questions, even actually changing the subject when the questions are too much to the point . . . this method of argument has existed long before Fox News, or its School, existed. Actually, my liberal friends as well as liberal media commentators are quite adept at using the method.

[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

Well lets see: I pay income tax, property tax, I just paid a 5% tax for my sons truck, a 5% tax on most goods I buy, excise tax on boats, cars and trucks. tax on the cell phones, tax on fuel, tax on cable. Fees, fees and more fees on my daughters state college education. Do you want me to go on Spence, or maybe like 50% of my income is enough.

I don't think I have ever heard anyone but you ask if maybe we don't pay enough....

So you're comfortable paying 50%?

You didn't answer the question.

-spence

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

So you're comfortable paying 50%?

You didn't answer the question.

-spence

Spence,
Yes, if I thought that we needed 50% to cover the actual cost of what the government needed, then yes I would be OK with 50%.

But, No, I am not ok with 50%.
What I want to know is... are you ok with me spending 50%?