Bush almost did something right.

[JohnnyD]

I've always felt that the Border Patrols should be allowed to protect the border with a more liberal use of deadly force. They hop the fence and start running, take them down. They don't fully cooperate, take them down.

Maybe deadly force will cause people to think twice about trying to illegally enter this country. The virtues of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness should only apply to those here legally.

Punishing the border patrols for shooting someone who entered the country illegally, is no different than punishing me for killing the person who broke into my home while I was in bed.

Yet people call me a liberal democrat.

[spence]

It seems a big issue here is that they tried to cover the incident up. I can't find any info that indicated to what degree this was proven by evidence or witness testimony.

From what I read though, Bush's commutation seems to be appropriate. If there was a use of force and the agents did lie about it, they deserve to be charged appropriately. The trust given to someone who can use deadly force in the line of duty isn't exactly negotiable.

If anyone has any more info I'd like to read it.

-spence

[Raven]

Smuggling aliens isn't so easy any more

neither is getting drugs into the country

Smugglers use guns all the time and need to be considered
armed and DANGEROUS without question...

but the humble and meek average working mexican who just wants to get back to his trailer out in the orange groves after visiting his family down south... doesn't need to be shot trying to feed his family....

it really depends on who they are and where they are from...

some are the nicest people you'd ever chance to meet
and others from countries below mexico usually
will kill you for a pack of cigarettes ...

it depends on whether they were raised up in a murderous GANG
or not.... there's more heads being lopped off in mexico these days than over in IRAQ or Afghanistan lately

[basswipe]

Almost exactly three years ago I had to leave the RISAA show because I got the call our house was broken into.We got lucky,the phone rang and our yorkie barked.The only person in the house was a 16yr old girl and the purp ran.20+ house breaks later the guy basically got himself busted.Good job Tiverton PD,hell taking a photo of the boot print on my front door apparently was a waste of time.

If I'd been home that person would be maimed or dead.No regrets whatsoever.None.DEAD.

You can't get hurt if you don't commit the crime.

[spence]

Originally Posted by basswipe

If I'd been home that person would be maimed or dead.No regrets whatsoever.None.DEAD.

You can't get hurt if you don't commit the crime.

You don't have the right to kill someone because they put a bootprint on your step, or even try to jimmy your door.

Even law enforcement doesn't have the legal right to kill someone without specific conditions being met.

While I do think some of the retreat laws on the books in some states are a bit over the top, there is always a common sense test to be applied.

-spence

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by basswipe

You can't get hurt if you don't commit the crime.

This is exactly my feeling on the matter. Do not try to illegally sneak into the country and you won't get shot when you don't comply. They get two chances - the first is the big fence blocking the way and second is when the Border Patrol tells them to stop. Third chance only comes if they aren't fatally wounded.

[Backbeach Jake]

My college philosophy prof asked backed in the 70s if we thought we had the right to take a burgular's life. My reply was that wasn't my decision, it was the burgular's, he made it when he broke in.