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10-21-2008, 02:18 PM
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Cabinet level discussions in most administrations are typically open and frank, with back-and-forth, compromise, and the weighing of all opinions. Its not like a the military where you report, get your orders, and march out. The president is the commander and chief, but you've not been appointed to the cabinet to salute and march out. Good leaders decide by getting smart people in a room and listening.
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10-21-2008, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe
Cabinet level discussions in most administrations are typically open and frank, with back-and-forth, compromise, and the weighing of all opinions. Its not like a the military where you report, get your orders, and march out. The president is the commander and chief, but you've not been appointed to the cabinet to salute and march out.
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Powell was a career Military Man....I'm sure he had issues with certain individuals but when the Prez tells you this is how its going to be.....Then thats the way its going to be. Notice he finally had enough
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Originally Posted by Joe
Good leaders decide by getting smart people in a room and listening.
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And there in is the key phrase....GOOD leaders.....need we rehash that old chestnut.
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"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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10-21-2008, 04:39 PM
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In my heart of hearts I believe that Powell was given the job to be played. You can't believe how much that thought sickens me. One of the most honorable men to ever serve, played for a patsy. And played to start a war that didn't need to be. Any country in the Middle East would have been a magnet for Al Quida zealots and we were already in their nest, Afghanistan. And they could all be dead now.
I also believe that Sadaam had complied with the WOMD directive, Bush and Cheney chose to ignore that evidence and manufacture some evidence to the contrary of their own. They sold it to Powell and Powell sold it to us. Truth, Honor and the American Way, and the Constitution and the Bill of Rights took a fatal shot to the head then and there.
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He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.
Thomas Paine
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10-21-2008, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Backbeach Jake
In my heart of hearts I believe that Powell was given the job to be played. You can't believe how much that thought sickens me. One of the most honorable men to ever serve, played for a patsy. And played to start a war that didn't need to be. Any country in the Middle East would have been a magnet for Al Quida zealots and we were already in their nest, Afghanistan. And they could all be dead now.
I also believe that Sadaam had complied with the WOMD directive, Bush and Cheney chose to ignore that evidence and manufacture some evidence to the contrary of their own. They sold it to Powell and Powell sold it to us. Truth, Honor and the American Way, and the Constitution and the Bill of Rights took a fatal shot to the head then and there.
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I can't agree more with you.Thanks for putting it into words that i could not Fred.
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10-21-2008, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Backbeach Jake
I also believe that Sadaam had complied with the WOMD directive, Bush and Cheney chose to ignore that evidence and manufacture some evidence to the contrary of their own.
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Saddam appeared to have complied with everything except for accurately reporting on his compliance. I watched this stuff closely and he certianly was trying to hide the fact that he had no WMD, falsely assuming that Bush wouldn't invade.
That being said, the Iraq Study Group which was ridiculed by Cheney was dead right in its assessment of Iraq, and were simply asking for time to finish their report when Bush said it was go time.
Seems like they knew the window of opportunity was closing.
-spence
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