New On The Water tournament rules

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Clogston29

i don't think they want to dilute things by breaking it up. the idea of the tournament is to build interest and bring awareness to the magazine and sponsores. they probably think, and i agree, that further breaking things up would only make it less interesting, desireable and competetive from a club perspective. simply comparing the boat and surf catches from the last few years shows that the factor is required and that 1.2 seams fair. and at least with the factor, there's a chance that a real club (or website ) can win over a group of commercial guys who create what is essentially an all star team.

remember, its strictly for bragging purposes. no prizes are awarded to the club winners. all the prizes are in categories that are broken up by boat or surf or junior.

If you look at how the tournament is set up it is obvious that it caters to two divisions.Prizes are different for shore and boat and then they try to marry the two divisions with a handicap system for fishing which is for golfers.I realize the two categories historically can not compete and like you said no prizes are awarded so essentially they would have to buy another trophy.
As far as not diluting the tournament,you answered your own question.Who among us would be less interested in the Cup if it had two categories?IMO it would serve to only generate more interest because the numbers and results would be real, not a magical formula that awards prizes based on a handicap.The club that caught the most pounds of fish would actually be the winner in their respective categories rather than a victory based on adjustments and formulas.
The idea that all boat entries are commercial fishermen is also a fantasy to make shore guys feel like more of an underdog.Surely there are a greater number of comms amongst the boats but there are commercial shore guys competing also.I would estimate the number of comm. guys in the boat division to be 50%.What exactly qualifies you to brand a certain team allstars?Obviously one guy got a bunch of his friends together to form a competetive team.How does that differ from your team(or website)which,unless I am mistaken offers a spot on the roster to anyone who "logs in."

[Diggin Jiggin]

If splitting it into seperate divisions means we kill twice as many big fish then I'd rather see them leave it the way it is and just keep adjusting the formula to get something thats close to even. The more years worth of data they have, the more accurate the handicap will get.

It also nice to see OTW take a stand against Yo Yo'ing. The commercial guys are still going to do it, as that's how many of them are earning a living. So if this removes some of those Commercial fish from the contest I'm all for that, as the # of fish they get to keep/cull thru has always been an unfair advantage.

I do like competing against the boat guys, its kind of like Red Sox vs Yankees. Boat guys are obviously the yankees...

[Sea Dangles]

The sox don't need a handicap.They win like real men.

[Gunpowder]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

The sox don't need a handicap.They win like real men.

spoken like a true champ all behind you on that one

[tattoobob]

I will not be joining back up this year, they need to get a set set of rules before they decide what the hell they are doing.

1st they make you sign up Boat or Shore, I fish both the first year I singed up as a boat entry caught all my big fish from shore
next year I sign up as a shore entry I catch all my big fish from my boat.

I haven't liked it sense day one and I am all done with it

[nightfighter]

Originally Posted by tattoobob

1st they make you sign up Boat or Shore, I fish both the first year I singed up as a boat entry caught all my big fish from shore
next year I sign up as a shore entry I catch all my big fish from my boat.

I also fish both, and am questioning why I cannot declare how the fish was caught when I see the weighmaster. Despite the team's success from shore last year, ( I am fishing >75% from the boat), I am railroaded into registering one way or the other. Stinks. I want to be able to play both fields. Are they looking for another entry fee? Or do they feel this is the only way to keep a guy from weighing a boat caught as a shore caught???

[Mike P]

Separate shore/boat divisions makes all the sense in the world. As Chris said, all it requires is having some trophy company make a duplicate Cup that says "Winning Shore Club". It doesn't devalue the two Cups already awarded. If you want to fish both, an extra $25 won't break anyone. Many people enter both the All-Tackle and Fly Rod divisions of the MV Derby.

They want to make it just like the Schaeffer Cup, but it's already been tweaked so that it bears little resemblance.

[luds]

Originally Posted by tattoobob

I will not be joining back up this year, they need to get a set set of rules before they decide what the hell they are doing.

1st they make you sign up Boat or Shore, I fish both the first year I singed up as a boat entry caught all my big fish from shore
next year I sign up as a shore entry I catch all my big fish from my boat.

I haven't liked it sense day one and I am all done with it

bob,
you don't like anything you grumpy bastard.

i'm happy whether shore and boat are seperate or not but if they are together I'd rather see the yo-yo'ing included. Us shore guys already get the handicap advantage. I'd also like the oppurtunity to beat the best rod and reel anglers and the alot of the commercial boat guys that use that method seem to fall into that category.

[keeperreaper]

It is a perverted system to say the least. And I'm sure yo-yoing will still go on with some participants. What they should do is eliminate the boat division/shore division split. Also commercials have an advantage in that they can weigh any of the 30 fish they catch versus a non-commercial who can only weigh in his largest of his 2 legally caught fish. Tourney is fun but flawed.

[NIB]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

The sox don't need a handicap.They win like real men.

Ya but take the filming away from the Pats an how did they do...
Thats right 18-1