Don't TASE me bro

[likwid]

I couldnt get to my camera in time to record his entrance but this guy basically comes running in with 4 or 5 cops in tow and says he has been running around trying to get in to ask a question and the cops are going to arrest him for it

From one of the witnesses.

[luds]

Wish he got alot more than tazed......jackass.

[wheresmy50]

I'm really curious to see Kerry's response. Democrats really court the police unions.

Clearly it's excessive force. Is that even really up for discussion? Pulling your arm away is actively resisting? You wonder why some people have a negative opinion of cops? So if your wife got in an argument with a cop, pulled her arm away, then got tazed, you'd be ok with that? BS

Drag him out of the room and write a ticket. I'm no veteran of political speeches, but I would guess that outbursts happen quite often.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by wheresmy50

Drag him out of the room and write a ticket.

Thats what they were trying to do....Charlie Chucklehead was making it difficult

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by luds48

Wish he got alot more than tazed......jackass.

I'm with you. There are a lot of nutjobs out there and cops are the ones who usually have to handle them. The minute someone starts resisting arrest, cops have to make a decision as to what type of force to use. They don't know if someone has a concealed weapon on them. If somone is going to resist, they are already acting in a threatening manner and who knows what they are going to do next. I'd hate to see a cop hurt or killed while trying to protect good citizens because they underrestimated what an idiot like this guy was going to do. This pansy, loudmouth, liberal punk just wanted to get attention for his "cause" and knew the consequences of his actions. He probably has never had to do any real work in his life and doesn't care about cops or firefighters or anyone else who puts their lives on the line to protect rectum heads like him.

Oh, and the part where he was screaming at the end was precious. I hope all of his buddies got a kick out of him screaming like a little baby. He probably pissed his pants when the cops threw him on the ground. And if he didn't then, I'm sure he did when they threw him in the jam with the real bad guys.

[wheresmy50]

I reread my comments, and want it to be clear that my "you" was meant to be generic, and that I was arguing the issue, not directly speaking to any poster.

[fishpoopoo]

Here's the music video:

[Saltheart]

Too many details not known to know if he had a right to even be in the room. Just cause kerry is a Senator , doesn't mean that someone didn't arrange this thing for a private or invited audience. george bush is preaident but i have no right to walk into his next speach or whatever without a ticket! If he did have the right to be in the room , did he have the right to take up the whole time for his questions and commentary or do other people have the right to participate? Who decides that. If the police decided to shut him up , that is wrong. If someone truly in charge of this event said your time is up , leave , and he didn't , then the police should get him out.

On the other side , is the taser safe to be using it on people to shut someone up. The police like to say its not lethal but people have died. He could have died. If he had died , would his death have been justified for any reason seen on the tape. I think not.

I guess my opinion is that a court will hear why he is charged with some crimes and decide guilt or innocents. Another court will hear his civil suit to decide if he was abused and if he was , he will get money.

There is no doubt in my mind that if potentially lethal force is ever used by law enforcement , either a criminal or an officer must subsequently be charged with a crime. If either is found not guilty , the other needs to be charged and face a jury. Let the courts with full knowledge after gathering evidence decide the matter.

My gut feeling is that upon his refusal to leave when asked , the campus police should have formed a protective curtain between him and Kerry and the real police should have been called to deal with the guy , Predeiction , he gets charged and convicted of some minor crime to make sure the civil suit goes away. All the campus police officers rolls in this will be reviewed and the person or persons responsible for the use of the taser are let go for exercising poor judgement.

[Tagger]

Who guards the guards .. wait until they get him off camera.. nighstick to the ribs I bet ..

[Swimmer]

He had the microphone and wouldn't give it up so anyone else could participate in the discussion. The incident started because the moderator asked him to give someone else a chance to ask question and/or exchange ideas with Kerry. When he refused to allow anyone else to participate, and in that regard allow anyone else to express thier thoughts, (;ie, see everyone elses freedom of speech issues here), the moderator asked two officers who were on duty there to get the kid to relent. He is a well-known wise-ass in this regard and likes putting on a show. The big mouth tried to take over, not incite a riot, the assemby with his antics. He attempted to control everyones quality of life. Kerry was being polite when he said let him speak, because he just didn't want this arrest to occur while he was speaking.

When you resist officers they are taught/trained by thier superiors to distance themselves and then spray or tase you now. When I came on you wrestled with them or whatever. Officers now are trained to physically interact with someone at little as possible. I can tell you getting tased or sprayed is better than a Kell light smashing into the side of someones head and causing a forty stitch gash as a result. Oc spray and tasers are almost a direct result of the lawsuits generated as a result of the Kell light/skul interactions. Thirty-three almost thirty-fours years and I never wacked anyone with a flashlight.

This kid is a professional wise-ass that got arrested. He was on film because thats what he does. He goes to these meetings and acts-up. If he was punched by the officers, kicked, hit with an object that officers are not allowed to carry then you might have a beef about thier actions.

One more thing the more officers that hold down someone like this the less likely they or the arrestee will be injured. If what the officers were doing was so outrageous why didn't all the people jump up and start complaining, not just the girl with the putz.

Once you pull away, raise your arms, and refuse to submitt, then your destiny is no longer in your hands. Someone else is writing the outcome to this book at that point. As far as "what if it was a woman, (my wife)or someone smaller in stature", its all up to the person who is interacting with the officer, not the officer. And there are many levels of force to use. There are no routine citizen/police officer interactions. To say that any interaction is routine is to label all citizens robots that are all programed exactly the same. It wouldn't surprise me to find out the kid has some psych issues of delusion, or something along that line. He acted like he feels he has some parity with Kerry. Almost like hey I am standing here I am sure you all know Kerry will want to talk with me.

[Saltheart]

Maybe Swimmer can clear up one point for me.

I'm not anti police in any way. My next door neighbor , who was a police officer all the time I knew him , essentially taught me 'serious" fishing.
My question...
Shouldn't the officers say "You are under arrest" before trying to get physical?
I just don't think the person is resisting arrest if he hasn't been placed under arrest.

I guess In this case i would look for

1. the officer walks up and tells the guy to leave the mic. if he refuses , the officer says leave or you will be arrested for tresspassing 9or disturbing the peace or whatever). If he still refusses , the officer says you are under arrest and then grabs him to escort him out. If he then fights , he's resisting arrest.


i just don't understand why they simply start ganging up on him when no one has placed him under arrest. He even asks "Am I under arrest?" No weapon , no violence to that point.

This part i don't get. Please enlighten us.