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Old 04-18-2007, 04:09 PM   #1
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Chris - a background check applies to all gun sales in the U.S. wherever you are. Not everyone can buy a handgun in Virginia.

He bought the gun 36+ days ago. A seven or even fifteen day waiting period would not have helped.

In CT if you have a valid pistol permit ... THERE IS NO WAITING PERIOD except for NFA toys.

In this case, it looks like the NICS background check failed MISERABLY.

Fox News is reporting that the shooter was involuntarily committed (by court order) for psychiatric observation.

He was therefore INELIGIBLE to legally buy ANY gun under federal law.

According to my sources, the gun dealer did EVERYTHING BY THE BOOK and the purchaser had all the right documents and paperwork. HOWEVER, the applicant apparently LIED in his response to question 12 f of the ATF Form 4473. NICS (that's the fed.gov, folks!) cleared Cho for the purchase.

There was apparently a BREAKDOWN in the government database - he otherwise would have most certainly been DENIED a handgun purchase with this on his record.

Wow, this really is looking like a case where somebody just slipped through the cracks.

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Old 04-18-2007, 05:19 PM   #2
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I've been nearly shot four times. Twice in the same day hunting, which I gave up. Not fo fear of being shot, but for fear that I'd return fire and kill someone. And twice by jokers who thought it was a fun idea. I could hear the slug rip past my head both times. Fun? Boy were they wrong. One got a beating and the other had his Dad's guns confiscated. Had I been armed, I woulda killed them both. I can honestly say that fear was not a factor, but focus sure was.
Having said that, I cannot imagine the depth of grief that all those familys are enduring. All those hopes and dreams gone..

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Old 04-18-2007, 06:02 PM   #3
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The Kid made a video!!! And Manifest!!! You just feel so bad for the families, this story will be going for quite some time, forever for the families....I pray for them...
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Old 04-18-2007, 07:08 PM   #4
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Unbelievable! Now we know what he was doing for those two hours... NBC just today got the package he sent from the post office on his way to the last shooting.... just blows my mind.


http://www.comcast.net/news/index.js...18/640434.html

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Old 04-18-2007, 09:58 PM   #5
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so this bastard threw the media a bone and in turn the media whores are having a field day celebrating this monster. just what mr. cho wanted.

well, i'm not going to watch the videos or browse through the pictures or read the manifesto, because i won't bother glorifying mr. cho's psychotic actions. god what is the media thinking? they are just pouring salt into the fresh wounds of the victim's families.

i sincerely hope mr. cho's parents are wilting under the crushing ignominy of mr. cho's despicable, unimaginable, and senseless acts of violence that have brought unmeasurable SHAME to Koreans here and abroad.

it is my belief that mr. cho's upbringing was a major contributing factor to the awful events of 4/16/07. the mailman says his parents are good people? bosh! it doesn't take a genius to figure out that they raised a psychopath.

no wonder they are in hiding. if i were them i could commit ritual suicide.

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Exclamation act of terrorism

whether or not he had a green card....

it was an act of terrorism ...plain and simple....

CNN editors should be jailed for plastering the web
with his photo....they're doing exactly what he wanted
them to do....i agree BEN.

this is madness - to show him pointing the same gun....

So is this what CNN is going to do if and when another act of terrorism
happens.... by keeping the terror ALIVE..... bastards

I'm against censorship but in this case CNN should be censored!!!
by the President himself if need be....
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Old 04-19-2007, 08:04 AM   #7
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All the news agencies are cashing in on this. Pathetic really.

Swimmer, I agree with what you said about not being able to get to a gun in a backpack. Maybe if you had a gun, you could get it while he's shooting someone on the other side of the room. At least you'd have a chance.

Like Bassturbed, I'm sick of the news coverage of this, but I did see something that was a little unsettling. Police taking cover outside the building while he was shooting inside. It really rubs me the wrong way when you see police with their fancy tactical gear hiding. It's great to have nice clothing with matching helmets, knee pads, elbow pads, flak jacket, $5,000 souped-up M4 (all paid for by the taxpayer - because all of this is essential equpment in rural Virginia), but when the poop hits the fan, how about grabbing anything that shoots and getting in the fight? Grandpappy's rusty 30-30 and blue jeans would have worked just fine.

To paraphrase the police spokesman 'We did not exchange gunfire with the suspect.' My question - why not?
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Old 04-19-2007, 08:00 AM   #8
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I feel for the victim's families.They haven't even buried their loved ones yet and they're seeing an image that was probably the last thing they're loved ones saw before their death.I can't believe NBC news released everything and the media is giving this lunatic so much airtime.It's giving him the publicity and noteriety that he couldn't get before.Now he's doing it from beyond the grave.I just hope all the images/videos don't inspire or energize some other loser/loner to think that by committing mass murder,it's their way of being recognized. How about giving some coverage to the innocent victims?Do a segment on each one of them and profile their life cut short?At least give them equal time.The media in this country is repulsive...
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It is not so much as freedom of the press as much as the press has freedom from responsibility and propriety. None of us would be any less informed if NBC had turned that information over to the police and the network could then provide a summary to the public of what was in the package. There is no need, as StrikeKing points out, to have the families and friends of the victims assualted a second time by having this loser's image shown non-stop on every channel.
One of my law professors used to say "The fact that you have the right to do something does not always mean its right to do it."
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