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Old 08-28-2006, 11:16 AM   #1
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So what is it about Biden you don't like?

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My lack of enthusiasm for Biden does not come from such a finely reasoned and rational point of view as your support of him clearly does. My memories of him from both the Bork and Thomas hearings were less than favorable. His earlier run which ended in him folding in the midest of plagerism alligations wasn't that great. He is terriably verbous. And there s something about hom that strikes me as elite or out of touch.

I do think that his message is SPOT ON. Both from an Iraq perspective and even more insightfully pointing out that terrorism is just ONE of the evils that make so many in this country unsafe and unsecure.

I just do not think that the current electorate will be able to over look the shortcoming of the senator. And therefror I am not a fan and do not think he would be a viable option as the democatic presidential hopeful.
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My lack of enthusiasm for Biden does not come from such a finely reasoned and rational point of view as your support of him clearly does. My memories of him from both the Bork and Thomas hearings were less than favorable. His earlier run which ended in him folding in the midest of plagerism alligations wasn't that great. He is terriably verbous. And there s something about hom that strikes me as elite or out of touch.

I do think that his message is SPOT ON. Both from an Iraq perspective and even more insightfully pointing out that terrorism is just ONE of the evils that make so many in this country unsafe and unsecure.

I just do not think that the current electorate will be able to over look the shortcoming of the senator. And therefror I am not a fan and do not think he would be a viable option as the democatic presidential hopeful.
I appreciate the well reasoned response.

A person is a work in progress, anyone who becomes President has skeletons and someone who's been in the public eye will likely have many more.

But I believe voters care much more about where someone is going than where they have been. Kerry couldn't get over this hump and the void was quickly filled by his opponents. It's precisely that Biden has vision to lead the debate is why I think he'll be a success.

From what I've read (was too young to remember) the entire plaigarism scandal was handeled poorly, but was also quite overblown.

Sure Biden can come off as slick (he's one of the best dressed in the entire Congress!) and he certainly can be verbose...but it's a different verbosity than Kerry. Kerry just spun his wheels, Biden talks but his words really have meaning. It's something to be worked on for sure, but I don't see this as a show stopper.

The people are hungry for some real leadership...they don't want a repeat of the last two elections driven by Karl Rove's antics. The people want substance...it's going to be different this time around.

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