Israel and World War Three

[spence]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Israel does NOT go after civilians as thier primary targets you idiots! Sure civilians are killed by accident and that sucks. But they are NOT the primary targets. Now the other side in this conflict, go after civilians as thier primary targets. You got that now? Or this still hard for you to understand?

Skippy, you're missing the point.

It doesn't matter, who's targeting what.

-spence

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

Skippy, you're missing the point.

It doesn't matter, who's targeting what.

-spence

Spence I'm sure you want to clarify that statement because it could lead one to assume that it is an attempt at legitmizing the targeting of unmarmed, innocent civilians. (They killed civilians by mistake so it's okay for us to kill them on purpose). Collateral damage which Israel is guilty of is bad enough without the purposeful intent of killing civilians which Hizbollah is guilty of. Thats probably why it's called Terrorism.

[chris L]

well then dont start flushing them John . I will go from like 5000 posts to 10 .

IM THE COMIC RELIEF !

[JohnR]

Damn - how the hell did you get to 5000 posts ??

[Mike P]

Collateral damage is inevitable when a gang of cowards deliberately use civilian areas as staging grounds for their attacks.

You can't expect any country to sit there and take it forever.

[Skitterpop]

this is a test for everyone...who is he and what is his history?

[UserRemoved1]

Isn't that Blackbeard after he shaved?

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

this is a test for everyone...who is he and what is his history?

[Raven]

he's the kid who didn't listen to his mother .oke:

[Backbeach Jake]

If that's Moshe Dyan, then he's one of the guys who created Israel through terrorist tactics. Also showed the Egyptian Army how to die.
http://www.tylerphoto.com/people/dyan.html Looked him up for you.

[spence]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Spence I'm sure you want to clarify that statement because it could lead one to assume that it is an attempt at legitmizing the targeting of unmarmed, innocent civilians. (They killed civilians by mistake so it's okay for us to kill them on purpose). Collateral damage which Israel is guilty of is bad enough without the purposeful intent of killing civilians which Hizbollah is guilty of. Thats probably why it's called Terrorism.

The statement is pretty clear...the point being, it's not like Palestenian non-militants are saying "well, my son did die while walking to school between checkpoints 7 and 8, but the Israelis were aiming those rockets at the terrorists down the street, so I guess it was just Allah's will"...

The Israelis are certainly guilty of dehumanizing the Palestenians in an effort to provide security, but let's be honest...also wear them down. Hence my comments about humiliation and rage.

I don't think they should shoulder the blame though, as I've stated previously, the problem is much larger than the two parties and will require a solution that's beyond both.

-spence

[Skitterpop]

Arab-Israeli wars

A day after the declaration of independence of the State of Israel, armies of five Arab countries, Egypt, Syria, Transjordan, Lebanon and Iraq, invaded Israel. This marked the beginning of the War of Independence. Arab states have jointly waged four full scale wars against Israel:

• 1948 War of Independence
• 1956 Sinai War
• 1967 Six Day War
• 1973 Yom Kippur War

Despite the numerical superiority of the Arab armies, Israel defended itself each time and won. After each war Israeli army withdrew from most of the areas it captured (see maps). This is unprecedented in World history and shows Israel's willingness to reach peace even at the risk of fighting for its very existence each time anew.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

Despite the numerical superiority of the Arab armies, Israel defended itself each time and won. After each war Israeli army withdrew from most of the areas it captured (see maps). This is unprecedented in World history and shows Israel's willingness to reach peace even at the risk of fighting for its very existence each time anew.

And what a few billion a year from the US can do for you.

[Skitterpop]

Originally Posted by likwid

And what a few billion a year from the US can do for you.

Likwid.... no one supported them years ago except themselves and they survived and thrived

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

Likwid.... no one supported them years ago except themselves and they survived and thrived

mmmmmmmmmmmm.....no

[spence]

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

Likwid.... no one supported them years ago except themselves and they survived and thrived

If my memory of the history is right, we didn't even provide much if any aid in the '47 war. Israel was able to defend herself just fine by smuggling arms through Eastern Europe, and fighting like hell.

Remember as well that a lot of the "billions" people talk about was part of a joint settlement with Egypt, and we have been throwing them money as well.

In a way I think we've done Israel a great disservice by protecting them from UN condemnation over the years...it's created a tremendous amount of animosity towards both the US and Israel, contributed greatly to 9/11 and has prevented, I believe, Israel from gaining needed legitimacy in the region.

Instead of being seen as strong when they indeed have been very strong, they are seen as a protected son who can do no wrong...

-spence

[Mike P]

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

Likwid.... no one supported them years ago except themselves and they survived and thrived

Actually--before the demographics of France changed and it became about 20% Muslim, they got a lot of military aid from France. Their entire Air Force was made up of Mirages up until the 1967 war.

And in 1956, there is some pretty convincing evidence that both French and British fighter pilots flew clandestinely for the IDF.