Israel and World War Three

[Skitterpop]

Originally Posted by spence

I'd characterize it more as a global insurgency fueled by many factors...perceived aggression towards Muslims, radicalisim, legacy colonial issues, Western policy priorities, and inibility of Islamic leaders to modernize and provide for their people as well as the communications technology revolution of the past 10 years that has flattened the Earth.

While a nuclear terror event is certainly possible, there are so many factors against it that it shouldn't be a prime concern...at least not to the average joe.

Overall I think how we're waging the 'war on terror' will in the short term do more to incite violence than help, which will undermine long-term stratagies towards democratization...Just look at Russia, Egypt, Palestine and Iran as prime examples.

Recapturing the moral high-ground and demonstrating solid International leadership will dramatically improve our ability to solve problems via peaceful means, and give us much more freedom for our military to act with impugnity when it is really necessary to preserve our national security.

-spence

Remember the meeting last month with US and Israel?... sorta secretively we said ok do it... the world and us are in a world of pain...and I don`t read much anymore. I saw this coming two months ago at least. It will lead to major major conflicts above and beyond all the major major which is long ongoing.

Bleakly yours,
Michael

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

Remember the meeting last month with US and Israel?... sorta secretively we said ok do it... the world and us are in a world of pain...and I don`t read much anymore. I saw this coming two months ago at least. It will lead to major major conflicts above and beyond all the major major which is long ongoing.

Bleakly yours,
Michael

Dude, rockets are regularly, randomly shot at Isreal neighborhoods, soliders were kidnapped and held for randsom.......you think Isreal is the aggressor???????? A government has no other duty that to protect its people, thats what they are doing. And no, Im not Jewish, something that I was accused of out here before...

[Skip N]

Isreal should just go to war with the Palestinians and end this crap once and for all. Enough of Hamas and the god damn suicide bombers. Grow some balls Isreal and take them ALL out. Or it will be the same BS for another 50 years. You will never have peace with the blood thirsty murdering palastinians. It just wont happen, they dont want peace, they want dead Isrealies.

And we all know who the biggest threat in the world is today. Its radical Islam. If anyone denies this they are brain dead. You cant reason with these people, they need to be taken out and thats it. Anyone thinks you can have diplomacy with these throat slitters is crazy.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Isreal should just go to war with the Palestinians and end this crap once and for all. Enough of Hamas and the god damn suicide bombers. Grow some balls Isreal and take them ALL out. Or it will be the same BS for another 50 years. You will never have peace with the blood thirsty murdering palastinians. It just wont happen, they dont want peace, they want dead Isrealies.

And we all know who the biggest threat in the world is today. Its radical Islam. If anyone denies this they are brain dead. You cant reason with these people, they need to be taken out and thats it. Anyone thinks you can have diplomacy with these throat slitters is crazy.

Because THAT is sane advice

Sure, Israel (which takes more than it dishes) should just wipe 'em all out. OK, that'll fix things. So when Arab-Israeli War 2006 goes full blown, with more and deadlier weapons systems (N.B.C.) than in previous times, hindsight will show that your advice is being right on top of it oke: .

Israel has every right to defend itself and should but your solution is, uhh, lacking. What SHOULD happen is the disolving of Hezbollah and Hamas or at minimum demilitarizing of those factions, creating a Palestinian state (which Israel has on the table) and having the Arab countries recognize Israel. But 3000 years of conflict might not end so quickly and won't end if Israel kills 'em all and and lets Allah sort 'em out.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by JohnR

What SHOULD happen is the disolving of Hezbollah and Hamas or at minimum demilitarizing of those factions, creating a Palestinian state (which Israel has on the table) and having the Arab countries recognize Israel. But 3000 years of conflict might not end so quickly and won't end if Israel kills 'em all and and lets Allah sort 'em out.

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Because THAT is sane advice

Sure, Israel (which takes more than it dishes) should just wipe 'em all out. OK, that'll fix things. So when Arab-Israeli War 2006 goes full blown, with more and deadlier weapons systems (N.B.C.) than in previous times, hindsight will show that your advice is being right on top of it oke: .

Israel has every right to defend itself and should but your solution is, uhh, lacking. What SHOULD happen is the disolving of Hezbollah and Hamas or at minimum demilitarizing of those factions, creating a Palestinian state (which Israel has on the table) and having the Arab countries recognize Israel. But 3000 years of conflict might not end so quickly and won't end if Israel kills 'em all and and lets Allah sort 'em out.

Lets give diplomacy YET another chance, yeah that seems to work wonders. If you can somehow reason with the Palistinians then by all means go right ahead. I think they've shown they want nothing to do with diplomacy, all they care about are dead Jews.

[justplugit]

Thousands of years of hate, wether it be for land, power,anothers relegion, or whatever, was, and is ongoing in that region. When children are
taught to hate from their earliest days, generation to generation, there is not much hope of peace by negotiation no matter how you cut it.

Nobody wants to give in with negotiations as this hate clouds everything.
The region always was, and will be a tinder box. Now with the proliferation of weapons of annihilation, it's just a matter of time until they're used.

Being every skirmish was, and is, started with rock throwing, the only answer is to collect and destroy all the rocks in the region.

[Skitterpop]

Israel or the Palestinians are wrong.... what I am saying is this will lead to a much larger world wide %$%$%$%$ storm...larger then what we have now whether we are aware of it or not.


Godbless us all.......Tiny Tim

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

Israel or the Palestinians are wrong.... what I am saying is this will lead to a much larger world wide %$%$%$%$ storm...larger then what we have now whether we are aware of it or not.


Godbless us all.......Tiny Tim

Doubt it, its nothing new. Search around on CNN for a timeline of the Isreali/Palestine conflict. I've seen one out there b 4. This has been going on for years. As DF noted, Isreal sent tanks into Arafats compound and destroyed it, keeping him prosoner.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Grow some balls Isreal and take them ALL out. Or it will be the same BS for another 50 years.

Oh Isreal has balls...I distinctly remember them, on a couple of occasions, ringing Arrafat's doorbell w/ their tanks and asking him to come out and play....But we (The U.S.) always talked them out of it.

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

Dude, rockets are regularly, randomly shot at Isreal neighborhoods, soliders were kidnapped and held for randsom.......you think Isreal is the aggressor???????? A government has no other duty that to protect its people, thats what they are doing. And no, Im not Jewish, something that I was accused of out here before...

Seems we hear very little about the aggression against Israel only outrage when they retaliate. Come to think about it, it's kind of like Iraq. A quick blurb about kidnapping/torture/beheading of our soldiers but shrill outrage over panties on the head of a terrorist.

Go Israel.

[spence]

There's no way to justify the seemingly random terror attacks that Isreal has...

That being said, their actions have often been over the top.

An objective person looks to where the power is, and tries to stay objective.

It's all relative.

-spence

[RIJIMMY]

sooo, Isreal pulled out of gaza, demolished jewish settlers houses, had the miltary pull civilains from their own homes and kept EVERY promise they made.

Over the top? Maybe to their own people, when are the Palesinians going to do someting....anything, other than provoke and kill???

[RIJIMMY]

September 12 2005
Completion of Israel's unilateral disengagement plan. Israel removes all Jewish settlements and military equipment from the disputed territory of the Gaza Strip, ending its control of the area taken from Egypt as a result of the Six-Day War of 1967.

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

Maybe to their own people, when are the Palesinians going to do someting....anything, other than provoke and kill???

I think the important point you're missing is that for the most part the Palestenian people are completely disenfranchised.

It's not a level playing field, which contributes a lot to the use of terror...a leveling force.

The notion that Isreal's %$%$%$%$ has never stunk is pretty absurd...but as I indicated earlier...there's plenty of blame on both sides.

Looks like the situation is getting worse today...a dangerous game being played for sure.

-spence

[RIJIMMY]

Didnt say that, but they are at least trying, with NO support from Arab countries

[NaCl H2O]

Originally Posted by spence

I think the important point you're missing is that for the most part the Palestenian people are completely disenfranchised.

It's not a level playing field, which contributes a lot to the use of terror...a leveling force.

The notion that Isreal's %$%$%$%$ has never stunk is pretty absurd...but as I indicated earlier...there's plenty of blame on both sides.

Looks like the situation is getting worse today...a dangerous game being played for sure.

-spence

If the playing field was level, Israel would be wiped off the face of the map.

[MakoMike]

Originally Posted by spence

I think the important point you're missing is that for the most part the Palestenian people are completely disenfranchised.

Sure you got the right word there Spence? If I'm not mistaken they recently used their franchise to elect a Hezbolla government.

[Skitterpop]

Israel bombards Beirut amid spiraling attacks




Thursday, July 13, 2006; Posted: 12:04 p.m. EDT (16:04 GMT)

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BEIRUT, Lebanon (CNN) -- Israel's warplanes bombed Beirut's international airport and its navy blockaded Lebanon's ports in a sharp escalation of a military campaign Thursday.



Hezbollah guerrillas fired scores of rockets from Lebanon into northern Israel in the most intense bombardment in years.
Some 45 people and two soldiers have been killed inside Lebanon since Wednesday, the country's health ministry said, while the rocket attacks killed at least one woman in Israel.
Beirut's Rafik Hariri International Airport was forced to close after Israeli fighter jets hit all three of its runways, leaving huge craters that made them unusable.
Two other Lebanese airports were attacked Thursday morning, the Israel Defense Forces said.
The IDF gave no details, but Lebanese army sources said that the Rayak Air Base in the Bekaa Valley near the Syrian border had been hit as well as a small military airport in Qulayaat in northern Lebanon.
Israel said it targeted the international airport in the capital's suburbs because it was a transfer point for weapons and supplies to Hezbollah, the militant group that captured two Israeli soldiers and killed eight others in raids this week.
Lebanese Interior Minister Ahmed Fatfat called the airport strikes a "general act of war," saying they had nothing to do with Hezbollah but were instead an attack against the country's "economic interests," especially its tourism industry. All Beirut-bound flights are having to be diverted.
Lebanese Information Minister Ghazi Aridi called for a comprehensive cease-fire, saying the Lebanese government had nothing to do with the Hezbollah attacks.
After Israel's airport strike, planes began dropping leaflets warning residents of an impending attack on an area of southern Beirut where Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah is believed to live. (Watch initial reports on the runway bombings -- 6:00)
If such a strike happened, Hezbollah said it would attack the northern Israeli city of Haifa, where 300,000 people live.
The U.S. Navy moved a small military tug out of Haifa after the threat.
Israel: 'We mean business'

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas said Thursday he fears a "regional war is mounting" with Israel's military campaigns in Lebanon and Gaza, where forces were deployed after last month's capture of an Israeli soldier.
"This is not our interest and will not bring peace and stability to the region," Abbas said, referring to "this [Israeli] aggression."
President Bush said all countries had a right to defend themselves butwarned Israel to take care not to "weaken" Lebanon's government.
Bush also stressed during a visit to Germany that Syria "needs to be held to account."
Hezbollah enjoys substantial backing from Syria and Iran and is considered a terrorist organization by the United States and Israel. The group holds posts in Lebanon's government.
Israeli Security Cabinet Minister Isaac Herzog said: "We are taking strong measures so that it will be clear to the Lebanese people and government ... that we mean business."
The United Nations will send a team to the Middle East to urge both sides to use restraint, a spokesman for Secretary-General Kofi Annan said Thursday.
Captives named

Israeli airstrikes were aimed at targets used by Hezbollah for storing weapons, the IDF said.
Warplanes also hit al-Manar television station because Hezbollah uses it to incite and recruit activists, the IDF said. A broadcast tower was destroyed and three people injured, but the station was able to continue broadcasting, al-Manar editor Ibrahim Moussawi said.
Israel's Cabinet authorized a "severe and harsh" response to the abduction of the two soldiers, named Thursday as Ehud Goldvasser, 31, from Nahariya, and Eldad Regev, 26, from the Haifa suburb of Kiryat Motzkin.
Hezbollah called for a prisoner exchange but, as in Gaza, Israel has rejected the call.
Hezbollah chief Nasrallah told reporters that seizing the soldiers was "our natural, only and logical right" to win freedom for Hezbollah prisoners held by Israel.
Nasrallah said the two soldiers had been taken to a place "far, far away" and that an Israeli military campaign would not win their release.
More than 70 Katyusha rockets have hit Israel in the past 24 hours, the IDF said.
Missiles critically injured one person and hurt at least 10 others in Safed, about 13 miles (20 kilometers) from the Lebanese border, which local officials said not been hit by Hezbollah rockets since 1972. (Watch the rocket's explosion and town chaos -- 1:45)
Also in northern Israel, a woman was killed and 15 people hurt in a rocket attack in Nahariya, and at least 38 people were injured when rockets hit the Arab village of Carmiel, Israeli ambulance services said.
CNN's Barbara Starr and John Vause and journalist Anthony Mills in Beirut contributed to this report.

[clambelly]

the two sides have been fighting since before the birth of Christ.
however...the UN and the EU almost always lay the blame for these things right in the lap of Isreal. its like being an older brother and having a little brother who is always causing trouble. you smack the kid down when he's doing something wrong and mom and dad tell you that its your fault for hitting him. puhlease...the terrorist groups are enabled by the left and their sympathic view points towards them, and their blantent hatred for Isreal.

in case anyone hasn't noticed, Europe is a pretty anti-semetic place these days.

[spence]

Originally Posted by clambelly

...the terrorist groups are enabled by the left and their sympathic view points towards them, and their blantent hatred for Isreal.

Which doesn't exactly explain why the vast majority of Jews traditionally vote Democratic now does it?

-spence

[Skitterpop]

Rockhoppingmike using different sign on names

[clambelly]

US vetoes UN resolution urging end to Israeli attacks in Gaza
Jul 13 3:50 PM US/Eastern


The United States vetoed a UN draft resolution that would have called for an end to Israeli attacks and "disproportionate use of force" in the Gaza Strip as well as for the release of a kidnapped Israeli soldier.

The Security Council resolution received 10 votes, one against from the United States with four abstentions, French Ambassador Jean-Marc de la Sabliere, the council president for July, announced.



Explaining his negative vote, US Ambassador John Bolton described the text as "unbalanced" and was "not only untimely but also outmoded" because of the attacks against Israel by Lebanese Hezbollah militants and UN chief Kofi Annan's decision to send a crisis team to the region.

He said adoption of the resolution would have exacerbated tensions in the region and would have undermined "our vision of two democratic states, Israel and Palestine, living side by side in peace and security."

The United States, Israel's staunchest ally, last used its veto in the Security Council in October 2004, to block a similar draft demanding that Israel end all military operations in northern Gaza and withdraw from the area.

hmm...seems i said something to this effect a little earlier today...

Originally Posted by clambelly

the UN and the EU almost always lay the blame for these things right in the lap of Isreal. its like being an older brother and having a little brother who is always causing trouble. you smack the kid down when he's doing something wrong and mom and dad tell you that its your fault for hitting him.

[spence]

Originally Posted by clambelly

hmm...seems i said something to this effect a little earlier today...

Not really, the resolution is saying that Israel's actions are potentially reckless and may cause unecessary instability...not that they are entirely to blame for the situation.

Regardless, the US needs to step in here and show some leadership. Freaking planet is going to hell in a handbasket and Bush is running blind

-spence

["uffah!!"]

Spence:

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by spence

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Regardless, the US needs to step in here and show some leadership. Freaking planet is going to hell in a handbasket and Bush is running blind

-spence

Spence, isnt that what you constantly refer to as US "meddling"?

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

Not really, the resolution is saying that Israel's actions are potentially reckless and may cause unecessary instability...not that they are entirely to blame for the situation.

Regardless, the US needs to step in here and show some leadership. Freaking planet is going to hell in a handbasket and Bush is running blind

-spence

Souinds like ad hominem fragments and regurgitated partisan whackery.

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

Remember the meeting last month with US and Israel?... sorta secretively we said ok do it... the world and us are in a world of pain...and I don`t read much anymore. I saw this coming two months ago at least. It will lead to major major conflicts above and beyond all the major major which is long ongoing.

Bleakly yours,
Michael

About %$%$%$%$ing time Isreal started striking the radical palistinians! The radicals need to be wiped out or nothing over there will ever change. And just so you know, Isreal targets RADICAL LEADERS with thier strikes. Your Palistinian friends prefer to strap bombs to themselve and blow up buses of innocent school children. And you have sympathy for those %$%$%$%$ing animals????

[The Dad Fisherman]

How did this....

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

Remember the meeting last month with US and Israel?... sorta secretively we said ok do it... the world and us are in a world of pain...and I don`t read much anymore. I saw this coming two months ago at least. It will lead to major major conflicts above and beyond all the major major which is long ongoing.

Bleakly yours,
Michael

All of a sudden turn him into a Palestinean Sympathiser

Originally Posted by Skip N

About %$%$%$%$ing time Isreal started striking the radical palistinians! The radicals need to be wiped out or nothing over there will ever change. And just so you know, Isreal targets RADICAL LEADERS with thier strikes. Your Palistinian friends prefer to strap bombs to themselve and blow up buses of innocent school children. And you have sympathy for those %$%$%$%$ing animals????

You have THE Most Skewed Logic I have ever seen in my life.

[Skip N]

Really buddy? have you ever read your posts? Your pretty out there. Read some of your posts once in awhile! And why do i even care about what someone with a picture of Al Bundy as thier Avatar has to say? How can i even take you seriously looking at that!?