A Day Without Immigrants!

[stripersnipr]

Why do some people refuse to use the word illegal when talking about criminals who have purposely defied and violated our immigration laws by entering our country ILLEGALY? Its a slap in the face to those who have entered our country through the rightful process and "contribute" in an above board manner.

[Backbeach Jake]

Stripersnipr, this is how they devide us. The law says that they are illegal. Those in power do absolutely nothing about it and as a matter of fact they encourage it back handedly. We legals are outraged that they are here not that we're getting screwed. We're being PLAYED against one another. All they want is a chance. Just a shot at a better life. And our politicians(whores) are selling themselves , the illegals , and us.

[freeballin]

Big Deal..... My kid FINALLY got to use the NEW Lawnmower......

[Kadywampus]

How about this as law ?

Only professionals or investors can immigrate to the country , no unskilled laborers will be allowed in .
Immigrants may purchase property but locations and availability are limited .Ocean front property is restricted to citizens born in the country.
Immigrants cannot vote or be elected to any public office.
Immigrants cannot collect any type of Government assistance.
Immigrants cannot protest Government policies or the President.
Immigrants cannot display the flag of a foreign country .
Any Immigrant who enters the country illegally will be imprisoned .


This is the law in Mexico .

[Kadywampus]

Originally Posted by Kadywampus

How about this as law ?

Only professionals or investors can immigrate to the country , no unskilled laborers will be allowed in .
Immigrants may purchase property but locations and availability are limited .Ocean front property is restricted to citizens born in the country.
Immigrants cannot vote or be elected to any public office.
Immigrants cannot collect any type of Government assistance.
Immigrants cannot protest Government policies or the President.
Immigrants cannot display the flag of a foreign country .
Any Immigrant who enters the country illegally will be imprisoned .


This is the law in Mexico .

And this is the law for LEGAL immigrants .

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Why do some people refuse to use the word illegal when talking about criminals who have purposely defied and violated our immigration laws by entering our country ILLEGALY? Its a slap in the face to those who have entered our country through the rightful process and "contribute" in an above board manner.

Right on Bro They dont use the ILLEGAL word becuase it doesnt fit thier agenda. They know damn well what this debate is about, but they try an lump all imigrants in with the Illegals. Anyone who talks like you stated is a disshonest liar. People see right through thier lies thankfully. Well most of us do anyway....

[cheferson]

Why don't we deport all the American citizens (also criminals) who employ illegal immigrants??

[Raven]

Originally Posted by cheferson

Why don't we deport all the American citizens (also criminals) who employ illegal immigrants??

since 9-11-01 .............when security supposedly got tighter only 3 companies were fined for hiring illegal aliens...in the USA

that was down from before 9-11 and essentially the government
is just looking the other way....

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by cheferson

Why don't we deport all the American citizens (also criminals) who employ illegal immigrants??

Well, they are American citizens so i dont know where you can deport them too. They should be fined though. This is a totaly seperate issue than what we've been discussing. However, employers couldn't hire illigals if the Illegals were'nt here here in the first place!

Its still mind boggling how people avoid this issue and change the subject to avoid the LEGAL vs. ILLEGAL debate. Illegalls cut in front of the line and knowone cares? WTF?? Hell, next time i'm at Disneyworld i'm going right to the front of all the lines, screw all the people that are in front of me. I'm doing it MY way and they can all kiss my ass. And i'm hoping all you guys here who defend the Illegals for cutting in line will defend me for cutting in also. Sound kinda familar doesnt it?

[spence]

Who's defending illegals cutting in line?

-spence

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by spence

Who's defending illegals cutting in line?

-spence

Sure sounds like alot of you are, even you are trying to compare Illegals hopping fences on the border to me getting a speeding ticket. Wich is obsurd by the way. Someone went to the we slaughtered native americans card, so all of us should leave the country. I see alot of people avoiding the term Illegal and lumping them in with legal immigrants. lots of excuses and people showing sympathy for people who cheat the system and spit on our laws. I just dont get it

[spence]

No Skippy, what some are doing is presenting nuances of the real situation. It might be easy to take a knee-jerk approach and just shout for mass deportation, but that's not going to lead to any meaningful solutions...

-spence

[RIROCKHOUND]

Skip:
I made a point a while back in the thread, and wasnt calling anyone out...
BUT unless you KNOW for certain you're ancestors were Native American or came to America Legally, then you really dont have a leg to stand on...
Maybe everyone against illegal immigrants and is pro-deporting them can vouch for their ancestry, I'm not sure I can...

My take on this is that if you want to close to borders, arm those wack job Minutemen, build a fence, whatever, go for it. I see two MAJOR hurdles.
1. Show me the plan for gaurding the ENTIRE border to keep illegals out and enforce the law on those that sneak in anyways I dont think it is possible.
2. Show me a plan for deporting or jailing 11Million illegals who are already here and breaking the law...

You show me how these things will/can be accomplished without erupting into a civil war,
and maybe this would work... I see nothing but catastrophy if this goes through...

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Skip N

However, employers couldn't hire illigals if the Illegals were'nt here here in the first place!

What kind of nonsense is that....."Gee your honor, I wouldn't have robbed that liqour store if it wasn't there in the 1st Place"

That isn't an excuse for Illegal Hiring Practices...They're breaking the law just as much as the Illegal Immigrants are....even worse.

At least The ones getting hired are doing so to put food on the table....the ones doing the hiring are doing so to take advantage of them and the system.

How about a little jail time to the people doing the hiring instead of a fine....Lets see I saved $20 000 this year by having this Mexican woman clean my house but they just fined me $5,000.....i'm still up $15,000.......not bad

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

What kind of nonsense is that....."Gee your honor, I wouldn't have robbed that liqour store if it wasn't there in the 1st Place"

That isn't an excuse for Illegal Hiring Practices...They're breaking the law just as much as the Illegal Immigrants are....even worse.

At least The ones getting hired are doing so to put food on the table....the ones doing the hiring are doing so to take advantage of them and the system.

How about a little jail time to the people doing the hiring instead of a fine....Lets see I saved $20 000 this year by having this Mexican woman clean my house but they just fined me $5,000.....i'm still up $15,000.......not bad

I'm not using that as a defense for employers, im saying of we had no illegals they could'nt hire them. In other words get rid of the Illegals. Did you you not just read where i said employers should be punished???

Illegals should be punished, as should people who hire them knowing they are hiring illigals. Its pretty simple

[Raven]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

At least The ones getting hired are doing so to put food on the table....the ones doing the hiring are doing so to take advantage of them and the system.

they (the illegals) have been ripped off by many companies (patrons) who call imigration "themselves" just before they have to pay them....so they wont have to pay them at all...

i've seen it first hand while living in california so close to the border.

hell, i've purposely made "the migra" chase me so they won't catch the other guys...or else i'd get stuck unloading the whole damn truck load of fertilizer by myself when i worked at a golf course there.