A Day Without Immigrants!

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Skip N

To bad some people fail to understand this simple logic. Do it the right way and America welcomes them with open arms. Do it illiegally and we have no respect for you, becuase they have no respect for America by breaking our laws and cutting in front of the line of people who are going through the LEGAL proccess to come to America.

I often wonder how many of our ancestors DID get in here legally? I dont know the answer to that, and I'm calling anyone here out, I just take it for face value that my relatives got here legally, but who knows? The french canadian side of my family dates back to the 1700's? were they legal or did they just show up?

Does everyone KNOW for FACT that their ancestors got here on the up and up?

[jnski]

I didn't read all of the thread, but one part I did read hit a nerve with me. Someone stated that illegals do not suck the system dry and contribute over 80 billion dollars to our system. Let me enlighten the healthcare aspect of this. I work in a huge hospital, the majority of trauma patients due to a fall from a rooftop, ladder, etc. are day laborers. These people incur huge medical bills, staggering to say the least. I now work in the outpatient orthopedic facility for the same hospital, and the amount of patients that are seen here is insane, most of them follow-up to those traumatic falls mentioned. Who foots the bill for these people? You and me, our medical insurance. This is one hospital of the thousands around the country where I am sure the same occurs on a daily basis. Another observation is the "free clinic" that is offered to those without insurance a few times per month where I work. Guess what the majority of the patients are?
you guessed it. Not a word of english, not a thank you, not a smile.
The vast majority of these people want everything without contributing anything.
These patients make things very difficult for all involved. The MD getting called in to screw this guys leg together. The support staff that needs to be called in to help the MD. The hospital workers that need to take extra time to care for these people due to the language barrier. The list goes on and on. I am not saying that these people should not be cared for, I am a compassionate human being, and want no one to suffer, but the big picture is the fact that they are here, and get sick and hurt, and we care for them in these situations, losing time and money in the process. If they weren't here, it wouldn't be a problem.

[spence]

Originally Posted by jnski

I didn't read all of the thread, but one part I did read hit a nerve with me. Someone stated that illegals do not suck the system dry and contribute over 80 billion dollars to our system.

I don't think anybody has stated either...

-spence

[BigFish]

You did Spence.

And after re-reading that post it also states that we are ignoring reality?

[spence]

No I didn't...

I've affirmed that illegals do suck on the system, and it's while it's worse in some areas than others... it's certianly not s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g "the system dry".

The stat I threw out was 50, not 80. And even that figure is relative...the poing being that there is a tremendous contribution that's not being considered in your reasoning...

Your facts are not so straight

-spence

[BigFish]

Your first post on page 3 says it quite plainly....or maybe I just can't read? 50...80...relative to what???....Don't throw numbers around when you don't have them nailed down....if you don't have the facts then don't post the info!

You throw out "ballpark" numbers and our facts are not straight???? Come on Spence.....wish you had the ability to correst your comments right about now?

[Karl F]

No Worries Skittah.... redman sold the whiteman Manhattan for 26 bucks and some beads, and been getting shafted for years, yes... but...... gonna win the whole thing back a thousand fold at the casinos... Ka-Ching .... stiffy... you say that till ya get yer casino... then it'll be come on down suckah ...

all my relatives came thru Eliis Island, early 1900's... but I get grouped into the blame for Indians troubles and Slaves troubles.. nice deal.. my ancestors was endutured servants all over Europe.. My Grandfather had to do his tour of duty for the army, plus all of his father's boss's kids time.. then work off his dad's debt to the landowner.. then he hightailed it for USA, figgered it had to be better, never looked back...

jnski.. good points... and health care ins. is going up quicker than gasoline... cause of the insured, picking up the tab for the uninsured...

[spence]

I don't think you can read...you're the one who said

The illegal immigrants are benifiting from this country and they do not contribute anything in return.

Which is simply absurd...

Regarding tax contributions. I freely admit my statement was based on potentially pro-immigration comments I heard, and as such I don't know how it was computed...

But that doesn't diminish its relative merrit, as I not arguing there's parity...Rather that illegal workers do make a substantial tax contribution. There's no need for a correction, and I've freely added the proper context.

I have read that it's estimated illegals pay up to 7 Billion in Social Security taxes alone yearly, and this doesn't factor in Medicare, state, sales or property taxes which would add considerably. Much of this they see no benefit from.

Nor does it calculate the benefit you receive from potentially low wage workers helping to deliver services and products at a lower cost to you because of a lower standard of living or other basic care being subsidized by other people...

You're still dodging the issue, illegals do contribute and that has to be factored into the solution.

-spence

[Jimbo]

I've been following this thread with mild curiosity all day, and wow, some interesting perspectives out there. I love watching it unfold when someone justifys and bashes an entire country over what is undeniably the actions of a few. I've done some serious hospital time with one of my kids over the past two years, and I gotta tell ya, being one of the few caucasion families in a packed waiting room, I never once considered the fact that I was the only paying customer there. Unless you're on line behind them, how do you tell which ones are paying and which can't? Do they look different? Hey, do you think "they" can tell which white folks are bilking the system and which are paying? Who would have thought?! I almost feel bad now, that when "those people" were shuffling their papers back and forth and filling out forms with the registrar while trying to calm some absolutely adorable, but very scared and very sick child, that I didn't stand up and shout, "Hey, Javier, 'Give me your tired, your poor, your sick, your huddled masses' doesn't mean you guys who try to sneak in the back door undetected, so go back to the pueblo." Yea right. But getting back to my first point, it seems like more than a few in this thread have no use for either Brazil or Mexico, in their entirety, mind you, and I just hope the moderators here are not so influenced by that line of thinking that they discourage S-B associates from celebrating Cinco de Mayo this Friday.

[Skitterpop]

Lest get everyone from S-B and SOL and sneak onto Mexico next Friday. Stay awhile and get a tan then head for Brazil


Soon the boards will be bare of posts with the bigger fish coming home and passing through