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Nebe · 02-22-2006, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Hooper

I am terrified when I look down the road 20 years, where is this country going to be then?

Me too, but when i speak my mind about these problems i am often labled a 'liberal'. If you ask me what label i fall under it would probably be a social conservative who has been polarized from being 'bushwacked'.. anyway i digress.

What we are witnessing as i have been pointing out all along is the grand sell out of our nation's natural resources in the form of de-privitization of our goverment's services and goverment contracts to the current administration's allies. wether its oil, logging, fisheries (menhaden especially) You have and will keep on seeing a total short sighted aproach to achieve fast profit for the corperations who are feeding $$ to the republicans to keep getting them re-elected..

But hey, we all got our tax cuts, so when we all save a couple grand every year on our taxes, remember how much more we will have to pay in the long run

JohnR · 02-22-2006, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebe

But hey, we all got our tax cuts, so when we all save a couple grand every year on our taxes, remember how much more we will have to pay in the long run

If you are saving a couple grand a year you must be in a higher tax bracket than me... I beneift from the reduction of the Marriage Tax and that's all. That tax cuts to the uberwealthy were wrong to begin with and they still are. Taxes did not need to be raised nor did they need to be cut - other than the unjust marriage tax and some provisions of the death tax.

For someone to say there is no squeeze on the middle or lower classes would be an absolute joke. The excessive cuts in basic social programs but the turning the other cheek on the illegal imigration that fuels the need for lots of social programs is an absolute hypocracy. They're effing with the middle class by moving quality manufacturing overseas and replacing those jobs with "service" jobs is a joke too. Not everyone can sell pharmacueticals and there are not enough IT jobs or "service" jobs to go around and make up for it. This is all a farce, a sham writ on large scale and we AMERICANS are paying the price for it... Makes me sick

Nebe · 02-22-2006, 09:05 PM

not only is the middle class being squeezed by employment problems, look at the real estate markets these days. Down here in south county, a person earning 35 G a year can not buy a house down here unless you have a big down payment. I think the average price for a house is around 350,000. I know this is not the fault of the goverment, but it just goes to show that the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. soon there will be no middle class, only the haves and the have nots.

Skitterpop · 02-22-2006, 09:45 PM

Sorry to say Nebe but that happened already...before you were born.

Haven`t seen you on line lately...busy season?

Be well,
Mike

Nebe · 02-23-2006, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Indanite

Sorry to say Nebe but that happened already...before you were born.

Haven`t seen you on line lately...busy season?

Be well,
Mike

very busy with the glass, plus i am busy working on that you know what

Navy Chief · 02-24-2006, 08:13 AM

I'm not a big fan of selling our ports to other countries, but I don't get to make those decisions. It's way too late anyways.

Lets take a reality check here, the port of Long Beach is owned by the chinese, this sale is from the British to Dubai. Our ports are not run by us! There are only about 200 U.S. flagged merchant ships in the world. We (as a country) got out of the shipping business in the 70's and other countries do it way better than we do.

Having been to the UAE more times than I can count, I will say that Dubai Port Authority is easily the best in the world at running these types of operations. Through the ports of Fallujah and Jebel Ali, almost a third of our oil flows. They have run this massive operations for years and are extremely effective. The UAE is easily our best friend in the middle east. If you have seen this company in action, you would NOT oppose this sale. Greater efficiency of our ports means lower prices on imported goods for you and me.

U.S. Customs and the Coast Guard will still be in charge of security.
This entire thing is a non-issue developed by the left wing to appear right of the administration on a issue that the democratic party has proven itself completly ineffective and inept over the past 20 years.

That's all I have to say about that.

JohnR · 02-24-2006, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Navy Chief

I'm not a big fan of selling our ports to other countries, but I don't get to make those decisions. It's way too late anyways.

Lets take a reality check here, the port of Long Beach is owned by the chinese, this sale is from the British to Dubai. Our ports are not run by us! There are only about 200 U.S. flagged merchant ships in the world. We (as a country) got out of the shipping business in the 70's and other countries do it way better than we do.

Having been to the UAE more times than I can count, I will say that Dubai Port Authority is easily the best in the world at running these types of operations. Through the ports of Fallujah and Jebel Ali, almost a third of our oil flows. They have run this massive operations for years and are extremely effective. The UAE is easily our best friend in the middle east. If you have seen this company in action, you would NOT oppose this sale. Greater efficiency of our ports means lower prices on imported goods for you and me.

U.S. Customs and the Coast Guard will still be in charge of security.
This entire thing is a non-issue developed by the left wing to appear right of the administration on a issue that the democratic party has proven itself completly ineffective and inept over the past 20 years.

That's all I have to say about that.

I am not for or against this Port thing yet but leaning against at the moment but I have heard snippets of good things about the UAE port company amongst all the negative. I for one am not a fan of having a company, owned by a government, operating a US port. Same goes for China as most of their major companies are State owned.

I know the Navy significanlty uses UAE ports in the Gulf... Are they an ally of ours in the class of a Germany or a UK? I would be more comfortable that way.

spence · 02-24-2006, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Navy Chief

This entire thing is a non-issue developed by the left wing to appear right of the administration on a issue that the democratic party has proven itself completly ineffective and inept over the past 20 years.

Yea, that's why so many Republican Senators are against it

It's not even really an issue of security. The question really is why should we reward a nation that's been on the wrong side of the terrorisim issue so many times.

The inside scoop is that we have CIA and Special Ops positioned right across the straight from Iran, wink, wink...

But to call this liberal fluff is pretty silly.

-spence

Karl F · 02-22-2006, 09:47 PM

350K

why couldn't I talk my wife into sellin out up here and moving down there last winter... can't even broach the subject with her for a coupla more years.
place will be all discovered like here, by then, (startin already, ain't it?), and right down the chit-chute it'll go, for the workin guy.