Hamas

[MakoMike]

Originally Posted by spence

Mike, I think you're forgetting the small part about the UN partition in 1947 done against the wishes of every Arab nation!

While I agree the surrounding Arab states could and should have done much more to help Palestinian suffering over the years, the fact is the UN displaced three quarters of a million people...promised to help them and did little to nothing.

-spence

I'm not forgetting about the partition. The partition itself did not displace anyone, everyone that was there was allowed to stay there. It was the looming threat that as soon as the UN got out of the way the Arab countries were going to destroy the fledgling state, that forced palistinians to move, the Jews had no where to go, so they stayed and fought, and won. If the palistinians that elected to move out of the way, had instead stayed, they would still be there.

[TSPS]

The old saying that "there is nothing new under the sun " is true .

1) Back in the late 30's early 40's it was the Dems that where crying out to get involved in what was becomeing WW2 , and the Republicans saying " stay out of it its their problem we need to be diplomatic "
Now in todays age the the rolls have reversed .

2) Hammas may do some good things , but thats just to cover up their real/true agenda . Hammas has finally got what it wanted , political power . I'm sorry ,open minded or not , this is a big , big problem. They go out recrute , brain wash , and send kids in with bombs tied around them .

just my 2cents

[spence]

I don't think anyone is arguing that Hamas doing humanitarian work in any way compensates for acts of terror. Rather it's to try to put things in an alternate and disturbing perspective.

Mike, I don't think the refugees had much choice...they could have stayed and probably not lived. The important point is that they were denied the right to return and the UN failed to provide promised assistance.

It is really f'd up and it only going to get worse before it gets better.

HANG ON.

-spence

[TSPS]

Spence , when has the UN acompulished anything ? The UN is a compleat wast of time and money.

[Sea Dangles]

What in the name of Allah is going on here?A bunch of pseudo poli-sci fishermen giving an Americanized Zionist opinion on age old Middle Eastern politics.
Eben, go make a plug.
Spence, go make some coffee.
Skip N,go make some leaders.

[FormerUser]

KILL'EM ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LET THE MISSLES FLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DAMN COMMIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh wait...wrong era.Carry on.

[Swimmer]

Sharon is getting what he wanted with the Palastinians. He took his troops out of the way and they started killing themselves immediately. To Israel it may be a problem that is going to take care of itself. But if it doesn't consider this, Hamas on one side of Israel and Iran a short distance away. How long does anyone think that Israel is going to allow that kind of threat to fester and grow before they step on the threat? Boom!

[Swimmer]

NIB is smarter than he looks!

[Nebe]

The interesting thing is that now that the people of palestine have voted in the party that they want, the onus is totally on Hamas to step up to the plate. If Hamas does not show to the world that they want peace, the US and its allies will place sanctions up the yazoo which could put palestine in a worse place than the days of arafat.
This year will be very intersting to say the least.

[spence]

Sanctions???

Hell, we're talking about cutting off aid!

-spence

[Swimmer]

Its sad looking at this from both sides. Isreal and the palastinians are fighting to keep land they have lived on and lost, lived on and lost, lived on and lost over several milleniums. God, no matter which one you ascribe to isn't making any more of it and maybe on that basis everybody ought to learn to live with what they have.