America spying on terrorists without court approval

[Katie]

here's the way i look at this.. (from a teenage perspective)

The national guard will be looking for terrorists on the Golden Gate Bridge, with hummers on both side, their trying to sneak up on this terrorists if they see any, thing is, they're dressed in camoflauge clothes, the face paint and all.. and for those who forgot, the Golden Gate Bridge is Bright Orange.

I think this whole terrorist thing has gone way to far, bush has passed the line. Definitly guard your rights, cause the way i feel right now, they've already pretty much taken them away. thats my .02

-kate-

[Skip N]

"I think this whole terrorist thing has gone way to far"

Way to far are you kidding me? what you think its some big scam and made up? Do you remember 9/11, the bombings in London and Spain? and you still think this is blown outta proportion? With all do respect thats the mind set that got us where we are in the first place, we let or guard down and got wacked, we didnt take terrosim as seriously as we should have.Yeah lets pretend terrosim isnt a real threat and maybe it will all just go away.

[spence]

Skip,

To give up personal freedom in response to terrorisim is akin to giving in to terrorisim. It's exactly what they want.

-spence

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by spence

Skip,

To give up personal freedom in response to terrorisim is akin to giving in to terrorisim. It's exactly what they want.

-spence

What personal freedom are we giving up in this whole spying thing!? They are spying on suspected terroists not you and me for god sake!? Are you concerned about the terroists personal freedom? I dont see how this is so damn hard understand. It does not affect you and me Spence it only affects suspected terroists. Unless you have plans to do some suicide bombings or are fiancing terroists none of this affects you or I.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Skip N

What personal freedom are we giving up in this whole spying thing!? They are spying on suspected terroists not you and me for god sake!?

Skip, why do you think a warrant is required before the police can enter your house?

-spence

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by spence

Skip, why do you think a warrant is required before the police can enter your house?

-spence

Did you see the presidents news conferance today? I think he does a fine job in expaining the whole ordeal. I think the majority of americans will be on his side when they realize whats going on and why its being done, and who its targeting.. Then again you guys think Bush lies about everything so you wont believe it anyway Kinda funny to that the intel comittee knew all about this spying ordeal...maybe even some liberals knew about this.

[Redsoxticket]

The president appears to be breaking the law to achieve the same results if he had gone to the special courts which will rubber stamp its approval even after or within the 72 hour spying period.
There always seems to be a conflict with this president.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Skip N

What personal freedom are we giving up in this whole spying thing!? They are spying on suspected terroists not you and me for god sake!?

Please Define "Suspected Terrorists"

What makes one fall into this category.

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Please Define "Suspected Terrorists"

What makes one fall into this category.

If you dont know that by now you really havent learned anything since 9/11 have you. Lets see here...someone who is known to communicate, fund or support terroist activty might raise a red flag or two to most normal people. Dont ya think?

Like the typical libreal you are its so obvious what you were hoping i would say....Everyone who looks middle eastern is what you wanted me to say right? so you could go ahead and call me a racist right? You people are so predictable its commical. and very out of touch with the reallity of the war on terror and how serious it is. I thank God everyday we have someone in office who understands the reallity of our enemy and how savage they are. we would seriously be %$%$%$%$ed if someone like you, who has no clue who the enemy is was in power.

[Skip N]

"and the War in Iraq IS Directly linked to the War on Terrorism......in W's own words."

nah there are no terroists in Iraq nor have there ever been

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Skip N

If you dont know that by now you really havent learned anything since 9/11 have you. Lets see here...someone who is known to communicate, fund or support terroist activty might raise a red flag or two to most normal people. Dont ya think?

Like the typical libreal you are its so obvious what you were hoping i would say....Everyone who looks middle eastern is what you wanted me to say right? so you could go ahead and call me a racist right? You people are so predictable its commical. and very out of touch with the reallity of the war on terror and how serious it is. I thank God everyday we have someone in office who understands the reallity of our enemy and how savage they are. we would seriously be %$%$%$%$ed if someone like you, who has no clue who the enemy is was in power.

The point I was TRYING to make was that you can't tell. I wasn't trying to label you a racist, I was trying to point out the fact that you just can't tell. So how does the government make the determination that they need to snoop on you. Where do they make the determination someone is a threat...thats what scares me about this situation. can they just go looking and say "Well I thought he might be a terrorist"

And Why is it that everytime someone disagrees w/ you they are labeled a Liberal. I am not a liberal. That seems to be your fallback argument for everything

I believe that people should work hard for everything they get and should not expect handouts. I also believe that if a person truly needs help we should give it to them.....not because of my politics but because its the right thing to do as a human being.

One more thing, in all the threads we've posted in, I have never attacked your character and I would appreciate the same respect and consideration. I don't paricularly care for your politics but I would not use terms like "people like you" or "we would seriously be %$%$%$%$ed if someone like you" in any of my posts.

[CTSurf]

I would be very curious to have anyone name one US citizen that lost any of their civil liberties as a result of the patriot act. Non US citizens do not have civil liberties from the US constitution.

The ability to defend our country by whatever means necessary is what we have lost

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Skip N

"I think this whole terrorist thing has gone way to far"

Way to far are you kidding me? what you think its some big scam and made up?

No, But its definitely becoming a convenient excuse. Everytime this administration makes a mistake we here that word. Its like their own little "Get out of Jail Free"card.

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

No, But its definitely becoming a convenient excuse. Everytime this administration makes a mistake we here that word. Its like their own little "Get out of Jail Free"card.

Please give me an example of when the administration used terroism as an escuse to cover thier ass on a non terroism related topic? Are they out there blaming terrosism for people not having jobs or something? This outta be good...

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Please give me an example of when the administration used terroism as an escuse to cover thier ass on a non terroism related topic? Are they out there blaming terrosism for people not having jobs or something? This outta be good...

Oh I don't know....But Spying on the Public illegally comes to mind. Which is what this thread is about.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Are they out there blaming terrosism for people not having jobs or something? This outta be good...

"The march to war affected the people's confidence. It's hard to make investment. See, if you're a small business owner or a large business owner and you're thinking about investing, you've got to be optimistic when you invest. Except when you're marching to war, it's not a very optimistic thought, is it? In other words, it's the opposite of optimistic when you're thinking you're going to war. War is not conducive to -- for investment.
-- George Bush -- Springfield, Missouri, Feb. 9, 2004

I think thats what he's saying here....but sometimes i need to buy a vowel when reading his speeches.

and the War in Iraq IS Directly linked to the War on Terrorism......in W's own words.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Please give me an example of when the administration used terroism as an escuse to cover thier ass on a non terroism related topic? Are they out there blaming terrosism for people not having jobs or something? This outta be good...

Hmm.. the War in Iraq comes to mind.....