Race Point

[BigFish]

I agree with Habs but it won't be because of the plovers....the way Mother Natures rath is encroaching on the shoreline......soon there will be no more beach to drive!

[piemma]

There may be no more beach to drive in the future but the Feds have been taking our rights on the beach away since JFK declared the Cape Cod National Seashore. The bird folks and the Truro residents have a very, very strong lobby going against us.
I drove the beaches for 30 years and quit 3 years ago because it's not fishermen anymore. Go to the back any day in July or August and you will find 100 trucks with grills, sun shades, tube floats. It's like Coney Island. You can still find fish but since the Feds close everything within a half mile of the Mission Bell what the hell is the use. No Laures, 2/10s hole, Peaked Hill Bar or High Head unless you crawl in the back way and that's probably closed for the birds also. We use to drive 600 miles every weekend. 2 round trips. just doesn't make sense anymore.

[Mr. Sandman]

The reason our beaches are closed is because of envirnomental whackos. You can't say a thing about the plover without being ganged up upon by people who have never been to the beach who think they know whats best.

[Flaptail]

Once again the lobbyist for the Conservation Law foundation, Sierra Club, The Animal Welfare fund, PETA and the Audobon Society have been able to push through laws that will restrict the impact of human use on animal species. Trouble is is that there are way more recreational and commercial fisherman than the total memberships of those organizations but they do a much better job or representing thier views than we do of ours. Sportfisherman have always been a distant second when trying to organize themselves into a powerfull lobby. The money is there and the numbers are there but the willingness to get out and get organized is not, so........... oke:

[fishweewee]

Piss on Plovers. Put People First.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by piemma

There may be no more beach to drive in the future but the Feds have been taking our rights on the beach away since JFK declared the Cape Cod National Seashore.

National Seashore or rows of private property/million dollar homes.

pick one.

JFK GAVE you access, if it wasn't for him there'd be no PUBLIC beaches.

[Flaptail]

Still with it's inherent faults it was the very best thing that ever happened to Cape Cod. I shudder to think what Truro, Wellfleet, Eastham and P-town outer beaches would be like without it. Best thing JFK ever did beside boff Marilyn!

[piemma]

Flap:
I agree. It would be wall to wall million dollar condos with no place at all for us.
Funny story. It was about 10 years ago and there was a group of us fishing the Second Rip. There was a fenced off area for Mrs. Plover and family. Everyday we would see a Golden eagle sitting on an old post at the edge of the dunes. He was methodically picking off chicks one after another. I guess he couldn't read the do not molest the plover signs.

[Rockport24]

wow, I think Flaptail has a good point here, why don't we as a bunch of surfcasters get together and take some politicians out to expensive dinners and give them expensive wine and kobe steak and try and get them to see things our way? and amen on the million dollar condo thing, in Rockport, MA I look at the map and over great looking shore spots, but there is no access because it is owned by some CEO with no trespassing signs everywhere....and don't even mention the parking situation up there.. then they wonder why their tourism revenues have seen a decline lately and they think legalizing alcohol is going to solve it, guess what people, if there is no where for anybody to park and they get ticketed on a sunday than how can they go drink alchohol in your restaurants!!
but I digress...

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Rockport24

wow, I think Flaptail has a good point here, why don't we as a bunch of surfcasters get together and take some politicians out to expensive dinners and give them expensive wine and kobe steak and try and get them to see things our way? and amen on the million dollar condo thing, in Rockport, MA I look at the map and over great looking shore spots, but there is no access because it is owned by some CEO with no trespassing signs everywhere....and don't even mention the parking situation up there.. then they wonder why their tourism revenues have seen a decline lately and they think legalizing alcohol is going to solve it, guess what people, if there is no where for anybody to park and they get ticketed on a sunday than how can they go drink alchohol in your restaurants!!
but I digress...

What if there was some New England based saltwater angler consortium that included all fishing clubs, websites, bait and tackle shops? Think the RFA but more directed to pulling everyone together instead of being a nother "group". The RFA model is close but I don't know if it goes far enough??

[piemma]

Originally Posted by likwid

National Seashore or rows of private property/million dollar homes.

pick one.

JFK GAVE you access, if it wasn't for him there'd be no PUBLIC beaches.

Once again you have distorted what I or many others post. I did not say I had a problem with JFK. I merely stated that he set aside the Cape Cod National Seashore. Perhaps you should give reading a try before you put pen to paper. oke:

[Karl F]

I dunno likwid, I think you'd probably see more access, as the other towns would see the cash cow that Orleans has with Nauset.... lot of mixed feelings on the seashore... I'd like the 35 miles back, that we used to be able to access by buggy... even if it was like certain other areas.. 7PM till 7AM, lot of nice structure no one will ever get to anymore.

(note, no kennedys were mentioned in this post )

[Mr. Sandman]

OT: Speaking of Kennedy, TODAY is the 36th anniversary of the night Teddy left Mary Joe to DIE on chappy. I think tonight I may pay the old bridge a visit and make a cast or two.



everything you want to know about the event....(with photos)
http://www.ytedk.com/

[mekcotuit]

I believe Ted left Mary Jo on July18, 1969

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Karl F

I dunno likwid, I think you'd probably see more access, as the other towns would see the cash cow that Orleans has with Nauset....

Westport and South Dartmouth.

Nuff said.

[Iwannakeeper]

Originally Posted by Karl F

I dunno likwid, I think you'd probably see more access, as the other towns would see the cash cow that Orleans has with Nauset.... lot of mixed feelings on the seashore... I'd like the 35 miles back, that we used to be able to access by buggy... even if it was like certain other areas.. 7PM till 7AM, lot of nice structure no one will ever get to anymore.

(note, no kennedys were mentioned in this post )

You can get to that structure - by boat.

now I gotta get me a boat!!!

[partsjay]

Here it is.....just put a couple of rod holders.....perfect.

You would look cool too.....

[likwid]

Originally Posted by piemma

Once again you have distorted what I or many others post. I did not say I had a problem with JFK. I merely stated that he set aside the Cape Cod National Seashore. Perhaps you should give reading a try before you put pen to paper. oke:

Distored? You were complaining about the feds taking away rights.
If I was gonna say you had a problem with JFK I'd have asked if you were jealous about how much poontang he got.

BFD, they close it for a bunch of birds. It dosen't last all season.

And if it wasn't turned into a national seashore I'm sure the Kennedy's and their buddies would have a nice long row of houses along with million dollar condos lining the rest of the area.

There's more money in property taxes from that crap than there ever would be from town beaches etc. and certainly more jobs for the locals.

[Karl F]

likwid.. Nauset generates about 1.5 mill per annum, not bad for a small parking lot and 7.5 miles of unbuildable beach.

[likwid]

Thats impressive, I'm sure property taxes on super exclusive gated communities would generate that in a couple months after seeing how they do in other areas like Padanaram/Mishaum Point/Col. Green's and out west in areas like Newport Beach, San Luis Obispo.

And nothing is unbuildable... Ever been to Malibu?