What Senator John Glenn said, makes you think

[Swimmer]

John,
I'll chastise my 80 yr. old aunt in Oregon for not checking Snopes first before forwarding it to me. I'll bet that crafty old gal was the one who changed the dates. 1974 or 2004, my only point was that certain people/politicians are using certain aspects of the war, including how many soldiers are being killed or injured, in a fashion that does not show those soldiers respect. It is unconscionable to me regardless of your background and beliefs to treat armed forces personel with anything but the utmost in respect, and using them for any personel or political gain deserves our complete and total condemnation. In restrospect I suppose that I was forcing the issue between conservatives and liberals. I do apologise for not checking SNOPES.COM though, but until you informed me of that web site I had no knowledge it existed. I wonder how many members check snopes.com?

In retrospect the first quote, that starts "during the month of," never mentioned any date other than the day I received it from Oregon. I wonder if all of those can be attributed to Glenn but over a period of time, or not attributed to him at all?

[spence]

How about the real other side of the story...how much disrespect we show the troops when we send them to war on half-truths, don't give them the equipment they need, don't match their training to the mission and then cut VA benefits when they return.

It's one parallel between Iraq and Vietnam that has many Americans including myself steamed

-spence

[JohnR]

Don't chastise your Aunt and I'm not chastising you. I'm just getting depressed watching people of ALL political bends twisting things as they know that these e-mails will get forwarded and forwarded without verification. Plus, if someone hears the same thing time and time it eventually becomes the "truth" eh?

Like I said, I don't disagree with much of what was said but it is truly a disservice to Americans to read this as John Glenn's speach in March of whatever. It gives a valididty to this "email" that it does not deserved. Whether the message is right or wrong, you, me, and others have been DUPED to propogate it. So is OK to propogate something that is incorrect even if the sentiment of the document may be true? Is it OK to package a bit of pure truth in wrappers of partial and non truths? See, this is what I am saying. Those, of ALL political bends, are really doing a disservice. I don't know, maybe I am naive, but doesn't it seem like the lies and mistruths - from BOTH sides have gotten worse in the past 10 years or so? Or am I just paying more attention?

Originally Posted by Swimmer

John,
I'll chastise my 80 yr. old aunt in Oregon for not checking Snopes first before forwarding it to me. I'll bet that crafty old gal was the one who changed the dates. 1974 or 2004, my only point was that certain people/politicians are using certain aspects of the war, including how many soldiers are being killed or injured, in a fashion that does not show those soldiers respect. It is unconscionable to me regardless of your background and beliefs to treat armed forces personel with anything but the utmost in respect, and using them for any personel or political gain deserves our complete and total condemnation. In restrospect I suppose that I was forcing the issue between conservatives and liberals. I do apologise for not checking SNOPES.COM though, but until you informed me of that web site had no knowledge it existed. I wonder how many members check snopes.com?

In retrospect the first quote, that starts "during the month of," never mentioned any date other than the day I received it from Oregon. I wonder if all of those can be attributed to Glenn but over a period of time, or not attributed to him at all?

[Nebe]

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A little snippit


"Reactionary concepts plus revolutionary emotion result in Fascist mentality."
_Wilhelm Reich

One element shared by all fascist movements, racialist or not, is the apparent lack of consistent political principle behind the ideology_political opportunism in the most basic sense. One virtually unique aspect of fascism is its ruthless drive to attain and hold state power. On that road to power, fascists are willing to abandon any principle to adopt an issue more in vogue and more likely to gain converts.

*snip....

Fascism and Nazism as ideologies involve, to varying degrees, some of the following hallmarks:

*** Nationalism and super-patriotism with a sense of historic mission.

*** Aggressive militarism even to the extent of glorifying war as good for the national or individual spirit.


*** Authoritarian reliance on a leader or elite not constitutionally responsible to an electorate.

*** Cult of personality around a charismatic leader.

*** Reaction against the values of Modernism, usually with emotional attacks against both liberalism and communism.

*** Exhortations for the homogeneous masses of common folk (Volkish in German, Populist in the U.S.) to join voluntarily in a heroic mission_often metaphysical and romanticized in character.

*** Dehumanization and scapegoating of the enemy_seeing the enemy as an inferior or subhuman force, perhaps involved in a conspiracy that justifies eradicating them.

*** The self image of being a superior form of social organization beyond socialism, capitalism and democracy.

*** Elements of national socialist ideological roots, for example, ostensible support for the industrial working class or farmers; but ultimately, the forging of an alliance with an elite sector of society.

*** Abandonment of any consistent ideology in a drive for state power.


I dunno... i see a lot of this stuff these days right here in the good Ol USA

[NaCl H2O]

Originally Posted by Eben

..
A little snippit


"Reactionary concepts plus revolutionary emotion result in Fascist mentality."
_Wilhelm Reich

One element shared by all fascist movements, racialist or not, is the apparent lack of consistent political principle behind the ideology_political opportunism in the most basic sense. One virtually unique aspect of fascism is its ruthless drive to attain and hold state power. On that road to power, fascists are willing to abandon any principle to adopt an issue more in vogue and more likely to gain converts.

*snip....

Fascism and Nazism as ideologies involve, to varying degrees, some of the following hallmarks:

*** Nationalism and super-patriotism with a sense of historic mission.

*** Aggressive militarism even to the extent of glorifying war as good for the national or individual spirit.


*** Authoritarian reliance on a leader or elite not constitutionally responsible to an electorate.

*** Cult of personality around a charismatic leader.

*** Reaction against the values of Modernism, usually with emotional attacks against both liberalism and communism.

*** Exhortations for the homogeneous masses of common folk (Volkish in German, Populist in the U.S.) to join voluntarily in a heroic mission_often metaphysical and romanticized in character.

*** Dehumanization and scapegoating of the enemy_seeing the enemy as an inferior or subhuman force, perhaps involved in a conspiracy that justifies eradicating them.

*** The self image of being a superior form of social organization beyond socialism, capitalism and democracy.

*** Elements of national socialist ideological roots, for example, ostensible support for the industrial working class or farmers; but ultimately, the forging of an alliance with an elite sector of society.

*** Abandonment of any consistent ideology in a drive for state power.


I dunno... i see a lot of this stuff these days right here in the good Ol USA

Think China *wink*