Herd immunity is not a strategy, it is a biological fact

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Well, with the two week mask differential aside , many places were in lockdown by the end of March. Trump was also on the plus side for approval vs disapproval, all while most of the states heavy on the 77 million were in lockdown. I am guessing if he weren't such a moron about things and had behaved more like you supposed, he would probably be president going forward. Many of the 77 million wouldn't like his 50k other flaws, but his pandemic handling could have been just enough to save him. Oh darn.

My point isn’t about winning or losing the election, my point is that whatever he said to do, half the country would have done the opposite because.....Trump.

Whether it’s right or wrong, they would just ignore it because of who delivered the message.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Whether it’s right or wrong, they would just ignore it because of who delivered the message.
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and because the entire media would’ve said that whatever he said, was the dumbest possible thing to say, and racist to boot.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

My point isn’t about winning or losing the election, my point is that whatever he said to do, half the country would have done the opposite because.....Trump.

Whether it’s right or wrong, they would just ignore it because of who delivered the message.
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We’ll never know? he never even tried !

He has put more effort in suggesting mass voter fraud, he convinced millions of that .. over 70 different tweets and press conferences to that affect

He convinced millions COVID was over we were rounding the corner he convinced millions masks didn’t work he convinced millions look I got COVID and recovered so it ain’t so bad he mocked those who chose to wear a mask as did many of his fellow Republicans..and still do

I said it in a different thread, all Trump needed to do was to make an honest attempt or fake it to make it. That he cared Americans would have cut him some slack , on the pandemic

But he couldn’t , he just kept playing to his base and they played to him so focused on each other they convinced each other they couldn’t be beat , and if they lost it would be everyone else’s fault, and stolen
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

We’ll never know? he never even tried !

He has put more effort in suggesting mass voter fraud, he convinced millions of that .. over 70 different tweets and press conferences to that affect

He convinced millions COVID was over we were rounding the corner he convinced millions masks didn’t work he convinced millions look I got COVID and recovered so it ain’t so bad he mocked those who chose to wear a mask as did many of his fellow Republicans..and still do

I said it in a different thread, all Trump needed to do was to make an honest attempt or fake it to make it. That he cared Americans would have cut him some slack , on the pandemic

But he couldn’t , he just kept playing to his base and they played to him so focused on each other they convinced each other they couldn’t be beat , and if they lost it would be everyone else’s fault, and stolen
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what did he never try to do?

he restricted travel
from china ( and was attached for it).

he sent hospital ships and ventilators to hot spots. had the feds make makeshift hospitals in NY. liberal governors of NY and CA came out and thanked him, said he was being a good partner.

he partnered with private sector to ramp up testing, manufacturing of testing equipment, and ventilators.

now, his style and tone early on, were in my opinion too casual. but his policies? what did he not do, that you think he should have done? by april most of the nation was locked down, everyone was wearing masks. so what should he have done?
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[zimmy]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

My point isn’t about winning or losing the election, my point is that whatever he said to do, half the country would have done the opposite because.....Trump.

Whether it’s right or wrong, they would just ignore it because of who delivered the message.
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I know your point. I meant to say approval of pandemic handling was initially positive. I don't believe any large part of the population would have given him grief for taking appropriate measures to protect people if he could have done it and acted like a responsible adult at minimum. Bush was hugely popular for his initial handling of 9/11 soon after one of them most contacting l contentious elections in history. Trump isn't historically unpopular because of spite, it is because he is a childish buffoon.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by zimmy

I know your point. I meant to say approval of pandemic handling was initially positive. I don't believe any large part of the population would have given him grief for taking appropriate measures to protect people if he could have done it and acted like a responsible adult at minimum. Bush was hugely popular for his initial handling of 9/11 soon after one of them most contacting l contentious elections in history. Trump isn't historically unpopular because of spite, it is because he is a childish buffoon.
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part of it is trumps fault. part is a media determined to help
democrats and determined to smear republicans.

They portrayed Bush as an idiot and a racist ( despite the fact that he did more for africa, literally, than any human who has ever lived).

McCain was a senile old racist.

Romney was a heartless plutocrat who objectified women.

how much time did every network except fox, spend cornering any of the following:

tax cuts that did actually help
the poor ( doubled the standard deduction, increased child tax credits)

lowest black unemployment ever

increased funding for black colleges

criminal justice reform

no questionable wars

progress towards peace in the middle east

america energy independent

for gods sake, three years after charlottesville, they’re still
saying he didn’t denounce racists there, when the transcript clearly shows he did

i’m not saying he deserves a love fest like obama got, and which biden is getting and will get. but it would be nice if the media could be fair, fair meaning we accurately cover the pros and the cons.

look at the lefties here. only one of them, exactly one, can say anything good about a conservative or critical of a democrat.

there’s a reason why greedy companies are happy to spend a million bucks on a 30 second tv commercial, because it works.

Biden got a free infomercial, 24 hours a day, for 4 years
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[Pete F.]

Maybe in yours and Tweety's world it started in April, but Vermont with the lowest rate in the country started in March and I know my wife and mother were both sewing masks then.
By the way we were back to work in mid April, but maybe we should have listened to Tweety, just kept going and ended up in South Dakota's situation with one in a thousand dead.

GOVERNOR PHIL SCOTT ISSUES A “STAY HOME, STAY SAFE” ORDER, DIRECTS ADDITIONAL CLOSURES
24 MARCH 2020
Montpelier, Vt. – Governor Phil Scott today issued a “Stay Home, Stay Safe” order and directed the closure of in-person operations for all non-essential businesses.

[Jim in CT]

Gov Cuomo directly caused hundreds of deaths when he ordered nursing homes to admit covid residents, when we all knew this was a disease that was especially deadly to the elderly.

Cuomo gets an award from liberals for his covid leadership. his state is by far, the worst place for covid.

liberals don’t care about results. they’re impervious to results.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Gov Cuomo directly caused hundreds of deaths when he ordered nursing homes to admit covid residents, when we all knew this was a disease that was especially deadly to the elderly.

Cuomo gets an award from liberals for his covid leadership. his state is by far, the worst place for covid.

liberals don’t care about results. they’re impervious to results.
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Again your upset like Trump because Cuomo gave better information to Americans than Trump

Results do matter hence Trump lost

Ps Trump Push To Invalidate Votes In Heavily Black Cities Alarms Civil Rights Groups

But but unemployment
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Again your upset like Trump because Cuomo gave better information to Americans than Trump

Results do matter hence Trump lost

Ps Trump Push To Invalidate Votes In Heavily Black Cities Alarms Civil Rights Groups

But but unemployment
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'Cuomo gave better information to Americans than Trump"

Like telling seniors with covid that nursing homes were the best place for them? That was good information?

"Results do matter "

You can't criticize Cuomo for sending the virus to nursng homes, because hes a democrat. Results don't matter to you, only The Narrative matters. Complimenting democrats is all that matters.

I'll prove it...

name one meaningful issue, just one, on which you think liberals are wrong and conservatives are right.

[Pete F.]

Tweety is a loser
He and the rest of the victims need to get over it
Besides you're not seeing any business person really upset that Donald Trump is moving on because the street loves stability, and Donald Trump is the antithesis of stability.
That’s why the Dow hit a new record high
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[Got Stripers]

If only Barr could have delivered on his Durham report hehe, they should have put Rudy in charge of getting that earth shattering news out.

[Pete F.]

Georgia Republicans!
Only you Georgians get a chance, on January 5, to vote AGAIN for Trump-Pence! To show true loyalty!
In the Special Senate election runoff, write in Donald Trump (he's special!).
In the Regular Senate election runoff, write in Mike Pence (he's regular!).
MAGA!
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[wdmso]

Only 3% of Trump Voters Believe Joe Biden Is Legitimate Winner None of that 3% comment here
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

None of that 3% comment here
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no one here knows what that gibberish means.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

no one here knows what that gibberish means.
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Only 3% of Trump Voters Believe Joe Biden Is Legitimate

Are you part of this 3%
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Only 3% of Trump Voters Believe Joe Biden Is Legitimate

Are you part of this 3%
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Please tell me how many times I need to say it, before you can understand it? How many? 100? 250?

From everything I know, Biden won the election fair and square. I see zero evidence that fraud was at the level where it won the election from Biden.

How much more clear can I be, before you get it? Do you only speak gibberish, do you struggle with actual English? What about that, is too complicated for you? Which words, exactly, don't you understand? Find a toddler, and ask him to explain this to you, maybe that will help.

Now, since you clearly have issues with people who can't accept that their candidate lost, how come you never once complained about your side spending 3.5 years denying they lost the 2016 election? Or is it only bad when republicans do it?

[Pete F.]

Poor victim

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Please tell me how many times I need to say it, before you can understand it? How many? 100? 250?

From everything I know, Biden won the election fair and square. I see zero evidence that fraud was at the level where it won the election from Biden.

How much more clear can I be, before you get it? Do you only speak gibberish, do you struggle with actual English? What about that, is too complicated for you? Which words, exactly, don't you understand? Find a toddler, and ask him to explain this to you, maybe that will help.

Now, since you clearly have issues with people who can't accept that their candidate lost, how come you never once complained about your side spending 3.5 years denying they lost the 2016 election? Or is it only bad when republicans do it?

Jim saying Biden won fare a square and you see no fraud

In no way shape or form does that statement address Trumps attempts and attacks on our elections claiming he won when he hasn’t and providing zero evidence of fraud

ask a toddler I am sure they’ll agree

as for 2016 and 2020 they are not the same this has been explained yet you insist that some how there is a comparison to be made ...
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[Jim in CT]

wdmso, i mean this sincerely...do you have brain damage? you keep
saying i’m ok with his dragging out the election suits. i keep
saying that if he has no compelling evidence, he deserves to be criticized. i think he’s making an idiot out of himself, but i’ll wait to see if anything comes out between now and december. i am criticizing him. is that going over your head?

your side spent 3.5 years trying to find a way to undo the 2016 election. you never said they should give up and accept it, not once. so i’m not sure where you get the nerve to lecture anyone in this issue, but putting that aside, i think i biden won fair and square based on what i’ve seen. if you still don’t grasp it, i’ll try to put it in a pop up book, would that help you understand?
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

wdmso, i mean this sincerely...do you have brain damage? you keep
saying i’m ok with his dragging out the election suits. i keep
saying that if he has no compelling evidence, he deserves to be criticized. i think he’s making an idiot out of himself, but i’ll wait to see if anything comes out between now and december. i am criticizing him. is that going over your head?

your side spent 3.5 years trying to find a way to undo the 2016 election. you never said they should give up and accept it, not once. so i’m not sure where you get the nerve to lecture anyone in this issue, but putting that aside, i think i biden won fair and square based on what i’ve seen. if you still don’t grasp it, i’ll try to put it in a pop up book, would that help you understand?
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I’ll wait till December not a single word of condemnation , which means I have no issues with him lying about mass voter fraud and claiming he won the election.. I get it your doing what ever Trump supporters are doing the excusing his overthrow attempt of the election , hiding behind he’s allowed his legal challenges BS

As for 2016 no one suggested The elections were rigged and rampant with voter frauds was the cause of Trumps wins no re counts or delays where argued in courts or state officials called to the White House or election officials called with suggestions of delay , it was suggested Russians influenced the election not the same.

Then trumps is responsible for his behavior in office hence his problems , I guess you ignored like Republicans. Actual evidence presented by actual officials not soliciting fraud claims on a web site ?

but as if on cue you like Trump blame everyone one else for the situations he finds himself in ..in 2016 and now

What concerns me the most who are the people who actually came up with Trumps assault plans on our elections if he lost. Because it was ready to go on election night.

we both know Trump didn’t think it any of this by himself , and clearly no one told him it’s very close to looking like Sedition minus violent part, but we’ve got Time
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[Pete F.]

Now onto the corrupt pardons phase of the presidential transition
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[Pete F.]

Now the poor victim will skyscream for the next 4 years...........

[Pete F.]

New Evidence finds Voters colluded against Trump

[wdmso]

Trump called in from the White House to an informal meeting of Pennsylvania lawmakers, repeating baseless claims about the election being "rigged."

"This election has to be turned around," Trump said, though the election results have already been certified in a number of key states, including Pennsylvania, and the formal transition process to the incoming Biden



Yea Jim just like 2016.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Trump called in from the White House to an informal meeting of Pennsylvania lawmakers, repeating baseless claims about the election being "rigged."

"This election has to be turned around," Trump said, though the election results have already been certified in a number of key states, including Pennsylvania, and the formal transition process to the incoming Biden



Yea Jim just like 2016.
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You're making fun of my recollection of history?

Have democrats not been saying since November 2016, that Russia played a role in Trumps win? What's the evidence of that, exactly?

And did democrats not spend years trying to undo that election? Various witch hunts? Tax returns, russian collusion, quid pro quo? Endless claims that he was an illegitimate president? Democrats and media talking heads didn't call him illegitimate for the whole term?

Instead of simply saying my recollection of history is wrong, why not go a bit further and show us? What did I say, which didn't happen?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You're making fun of my recollection of history?

Have democrats not been saying since November 2016, that Russia played a role in Trumps win? What's the evidence of that, exactly?

And did democrats not spend years trying to undo that election? Various witch hunts? Tax returns, russian collusion, quid pro quo? Endless claims that he was an illegitimate president? Democrats and media talking heads didn't call him illegitimate for the whole term?

Instead of simply saying my recollection of history is wrong, why not go a bit further and show us? What did I say, which didn't happen?

Jim buy a dictionary and look up fraud then influenced

Your getting more desperate in every post
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[Pete F.]

Well, when “winning the internet and owning the libs” is dependent on belief and support of a corrupt demagogue, you’re in a tough spot.
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[wdmso]

More than 91,500 people were hospitalized with the virus on Saturday, with 18,000 in intensive care units. That's according to data compiled by the COVID Tracking Project, which collects and analyzes data from across the United States. Over 6,000 patients were on ventilators.

And Trumps Golfing And claiming election fraud ,, Saw he has golfed a 5th of his time in office

But his base was outraged when the black guy golfed
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

More than 91,500 people were hospitalized with the virus on Saturday, with 18,000 in intensive care units. That's according to data compiled by the COVID Tracking Project, which collects and analyzes data from across the United States. Over 6,000 patients were on ventilators.

And Trumps Golfing And claiming election fraud ,, Saw he has golfed a 5th of his time in office

But his base was outraged when the black guy golfed
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what do you suppose biden would have done if potus, to improve those numbers?

guy keep saying trump blew it, but can’t give any specifics. meaning, you don’t know why you’re saying it.
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