So the local friendly Antifa...

[Jim in CT]

armed guard at the entrance to the "CHAZ" anarchy zone. What could go wrong?

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

armed guard at the entrance to the "CHAZ" anarchy zone. What could go wrong?

Considering a white nationalist already drove through a crowd there I'd think a little protection would be in order.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Considering a white nationalist already drove through a crowd there I'd think a little protection would be in order.

Which is why we have something called the police. But because a statistically insignificant number of them are bad, and because your side will say or do absolutely anything for political advantage, they have been demonized, convincing simple-minded snowflakes that cops only represent a threat that's best to avoid.

The police is probably the only urban institution in the country that works. And now we're going to minimize that. That'll help blacks.

Nine unarmed blacks were killed by police in all of 2019. Nine. 18 blacks were murdered in Chicago on one recent day, May 31. Twice as many as were killed by cops in a year. Sure, by all means, let's start riots over the miniscule threat, and ignore the much more serious threat, because the serious threat pays no political dividends to you, and that's what this is all about, obviously.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Which is why we have something called the police. But because a statistically insignificant number of them are bad, and because your side will say or do absolutely anything for political advantage, they have been demonized, convincing simple-minded snowflakes that cops only represent a threat that's best to avoid.

The police is probably the only urban institution in the country that works. And now we're going to minimize that. That'll help blacks.

Nine unarmed blacks were killed by police in all of 2019. Nine. 18 blacks were murdered in Chicago on one recent day, May 31. Twice as many as were killed by cops in a year. Sure, by all means, let's start riots over the miniscule threat, and ignore the much more serious threat, because the serious threat pays no political dividends to you, and that's what this is all about, obviously.

Jim your out of touch this comment shows it "miniscule threat" who are you to make that.. are you black do you live that daily with that possibility.. have you lived in that fear

being killed unarmed by the Police is in a different league

Blacks kill black white kill white hispanics kill other hispanics thats how the world works it built into the structures of where we live

being killed by the Police or how police treat the public is Huge ..

the dont tread on me flag isn't just for Trump rallies or 2A protest

it applies to police killing and treatment they represent the Government the authority AKA tyranny

but some here thinks that doesn't apply to police actions

cruel, unreasonable, or arbitrary use of power or control. sound about right ... just because the above actions may be seen as miniscule threat by those with no knee on their neck .. doesn't mean its not a valid sentiment

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

What, John mischaracterizing things to fit his own paranoia? He’s been doing it for a while.
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First time I think I've ever been called paranoid ; )

No Spence, this is part of the the arc of instability I've discussed with some people over the past decade. The polarization, the problems of the extremes (both sides Wayne), the divide along identity, to increasingly end up in violence. The institutional march through American history to excise 150 and 200 years ago by today's standards. I am marginally OK with *some* Conf Statues being relegated to Museums but it won't stop there. The monuments at Gettysburg will be removed. The monuments for Washington and Jefferson will be removed. Everything will be canceled in a mob mentality, with no eye for history or what it means, for social justice,

Like Nuance, but with Nukes.


Now the little kids have their little Lord of the Flies Island, but with weed and firearms*, what could go wrong.

* Not a problem as long as they are following federal and state regs like the rest of us.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnR

The monuments at Gettysburg will be removed. The monuments for Washington and Jefferson will be removed. Everything will be canceled in a mob mentality, with no eye for history or what it means, for social justice

ironically removed by people who idolize Che', Mao and Marx etc...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim your out of touch this comment shows it "miniscule threat" who are you to make that.. are you black do you live that daily with that possibility.. have you lived in that fear

being killed unarmed by the Police is in a different league

Blacks kill black white kill white hispanics kill other hispanics thats how the world works it built into the structures of where we live

being killed by the Police or how police treat the public is Huge ..

the dont tread on me flag isn't just for Trump rallies or 2A protest

it applies to police killing and treatment they represent the Government the authority AKA tyranny

but some here thinks that doesn't apply to police actions

cruel, unreasonable, or arbitrary use of power or control. sound about right ... just because the above actions may be seen as miniscule threat by those with no knee on their neck .. doesn't mean its not a valid sentiment

""miniscule threat" who are you to make that"

Let's go really, really slow here.

I don't make it a miniscule threat. The data says it is.

9 unarmed blacks were killed by the police in the whole country in 2019. Nine.

18 blacks were murdered in Chicago (one city) on May 32 (one day).

Are you going to tell us with a straight face, that urban violence isn't a much bigger threat to blacks, than cops? Based on what?

I go where the facts take me. The facts here, couldn't be more clear.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

9 unarmed blacks were killed by the police in the whole country in 2019. Nine.

That would equate to .0000028% of the US population
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[nightfighter]

Ph#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g-A, the PROBLEM was in the MINNEAPOLIS PD, who should have gotten rid of the INDIVIDUAL LEO, who had DOZENS, yes DOZENS of complaints, write ups, incidents, call it what you want. He was a BAD APPLE! Put his azz in a cell and throw the key away. I saw enough on the video. So has the world.... But don't condemn the whole system of LAW ENFORCEMENT... An overhaul and review of each and every force might be in the cards, no doubt. Get rid of the bad guys. Perfect opportunity to out them now, without risking the unwritten rules of the police brotherhood. But defunding???? Come on. The country has gone mad....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

That would equate to .0000028% of the US population
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and while one is too many, it’s not an epidemic. it doesn’t even approach the impact of urban violence within the black community. not even close.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

armed guard at the entrance to the "CHAZ" anarchy zone. What could go wrong?

So armed protester at State houses good

Armed liberal protester Bad

cant have both ways

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

So armed protester at State houses good (didn't break stuff and went home)

Armed liberal protester Bad (broke a lot of stuff and won't leave)

I'm shocked you don't see the difference

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

So armed protester at State houses good

Armed liberal protester Bad

cant have both ways

As Scott said, conservatives don't generally riot. It's almost always liberals who do that.

Look at what places look like after the tea party has had a rally, or after the armed guards protesting state houses (which I didn't like for the record, but the fat is there were no issues).Compare that to what it looks like after liberals (occupy wall street, antifa, BLM, these potheads in Seattle).

If you owned a restaurant across from a park, who would you rather see protesting in that park? The tea party, antifa, BLM, or Occupy Wall Street?

Have fun with that one.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

As Scott said, conservatives don't generally riot. It's almost always liberals who do that.

Look at what places look like after the tea party has had a rally, or after the armed guards protesting state houses (which I didn't like for the record, but the fat is there were no issues).Compare that to what it looks like after liberals (occupy wall street, antifa, BLM, these potheads in Seattle).

If you owned a restaurant across from a park, who would you rather see protesting in that park? The tea party, antifa, BLM, or Occupy Wall Street?

Have fun with that one.

Like i said liberal with gun excersing his 2a rights bad ...conservative with a gun excersing his 2a right good ..

What could go wrong



Occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge

Who did this liberals

You know why conservatives dont riot. Their to old
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Like i said liberal with gun excersing his 2a rights bad ...conservative with a gun excersing his 2a right good ..

What could go wrong



Occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge

Who did this liberals

You know why conservatives dont riot. Their to old
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amount of trouble when those conservatives showed up
with guns? zero, as usual.

pissed off liberals with guns = dead cops.

there’s the difference.

now, i asked you if you thought that cops were anywhere near as big a threat to blacks, as other blacks in the cities?

how about answering the damn question?
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

amount of trouble when those conservatives showed up
with guns? zero, as usual.

pissed off liberals with guns = dead cops.

there’s the difference.

now, i asked you if you thought that cops were anywhere near as big a threat to blacks, as other blacks in the cities?

Jim here we go again comparing the 2 as if they are the same .. the only thing these 2 things have in common its be going on for decades

how about answering the damn question?
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Jim we are talking about cops killing unarmed civilians many who are Black .. but you want to compare drug dealer A killing Drug dealer B cant ask for a bigger attempt to avoid the topic at hand ...

[spence]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim we are talking about cops killing unarmed civilians many who are Black .. but you want to compare drug dealer A killing Drug dealer B cant ask for a bigger attempt to avoid the topic at hand ...

Jim doesn't realize that the issue is much deeper than just cops using excessive force on black people.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim we are talking about cops killing unarmed civilians many who are Black .. but you want to compare drug dealer A killing Drug dealer B cant ask for a bigger attempt to avoid the topic at hand ...

I am talking about black lives. Which has a greater negative impact on all black lives? Cops, or urban violence? I presume there is a reason you are doing everything you can, to avoid answering that.