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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Sorry for calling you 🧪
I will let you sleep wondering about the size of my head tough guy.
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you still haven't told us about your sacrifice.

yeah I'm the internet tough guy who insultes everybody and doesn't post anything remotely on topic. Goodnight scumbag
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[Sea Dangles]

No one can read between the lines like Jeff.🤦🏽#^&♂️
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

No one can read between the lines like Jeff.🤦🏽#^&♂️
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And every single time he reads between the lines, what he sees is, orangemanbad. Never, ever anything else.

[Pete F.]

Three things are important for leadership in a crisis.

Consistency
Truth
Trust

They can't exist independently.

March 10, 2020: Tests
Trump: And when people need a test, they can get a test.

March 11, 2020: Coronavirus Insurance
Trump: Earlier this week, I met with the leaders of [the] health insurance industry who have agreed to waive all copayments for coronavirus treatments, extend insurance coverage to these treatments, and to prevent surprise medical billing.

March 13, 2020:Google and Drive Thru Testing
Trump: At the same time, we’ve been in discussions with pharmacies and retailers to make drive-thru tests available in the critical locations identified by public health professionals. The goal is for individuals to be able to drive up and be swabbed without having to leave your car.

I want to thank Google. Google is helping to develop a website. It’s going to be very quickly done, unlike websites of the past, to determine whether a test is warranted and to facilitate testing at a nearby convenient location. We have many, many locations behind us, by the way.

We cover the—this country in large part.

So the world, by the way—we’re not going to be talking about the world right now. But we cover very, very strongly our country. Stores in virtually every location. Google has 1,700 engineers working on this right now. They’ve made tremendous progress.

March 14, 2020: Paid Sick Leave
Trump:It also provides paid sick and family medical leave for those who need it, including for those who have the virus, for caregivers, and those looking after children affected by school closures. So that’s all taken care of also. And we’ll continue all of these different actions. We have other things planned.

March 17, 2020: Pandemic
Trump:I’ve always known this is a real, this is a pandemic,” Trump said. “I’ve felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.

March 19, 2020: Chloroquine
Trump: Normally the FDA would take a long time to approve something like [chloroquine], and it’s—it was approved very, very quickly and it’s now approved by prescription.

March 20, 2020: Defense Production Act
Trump:I invoked the Defense Production Act, and last night, we put it into gear. . . . We invoked it, I think, the day before we signed it—the evening of the day before—and invoked it yesterday. We have a lot of people working very hard to do ventilators and various other things. Yes.

March 21, 2020: Ventilators
Trump:But there’s tremendous amounts of—not only masks—of ventilators and respirators and everything you can think of. It’s all being—much of it and almost, I could say, all of it is being manufactured right now. . . . I had three calls yesterday directly. Without having to institute—like, “You will do this”—these companies are making them right now. But to think of these numbers, it’s pretty—it’s pretty mind boggling.

March 23rd, 2020: Open For Business
Trump: America will again, and soon, be open for business—very soon—a lot sooner than three or four months that somebody was suggesting. A lot sooner. We cannot let the cure be worse than the problem itself. We’re not going to let the cure be worse than the problem.

March 25, 2020: Widespread Testing
Question: Dr. Ashish Jha, who is the head of Harvard’s Global Health Institute, says the key to getting this economy open as soon as possible is to test everyone who needs testing so we can quarantine all infected individuals and allow everyone else to go back to work immediately. Would you subscribe to that strategy?

Trump: Look, I saw him. I saw his statement. We have tested, by far, more than anybody. We’re testing more than anybody right now. There’s nobody even close. And our tests are the best tests.

March 26, 2020: China Travel Ban
Trump: We got very lucky when we made a decision not to allow people in from China at a very early date. I say that because some people don’t want to accept it.

March 27, 2020: 22 Days Ago, Nobody Saw This Coming
Trump: Even 22 days to be exact—right?—when we first started seeing some real signs of problems. . . . They were—I don’t want to say unprepared, but nobody was prepared for this. What we’ve done, nobody can even imagine. . . . Well, they say I had classified briefings a long time ago, which wasn’t true. But we’ve had briefings.

March 30, 2020: Nobody Had Any Idea
Trump: A month ago nobody ever heard of this—nobody had any idea.

March 31, 2020: Other People Were Downplaying The Virus
Trump:A lot of people have said, ride it out, don’t do anything, think of it as the flu. But it’s not the flu. It’s vicious.

On March 31st it went from, the I stopped it narrative, to it is an awful Plague and I alone can save you, otherwise millions will die. If only 200,000 die I will have done a great job.

I'm find it hard to believe that anyone's MAGA hat is that tight.

South Korea and the USA had first cases on the same day.

Both are democracies.

US has 294,000 positive test and 8000 deaths
South Korea has 10,500 positive test and 177 deaths
Exponential growth doesn't care about total population

Great job

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Three things are important for leadership in a crisis.

Consistency
Truth
Trust

They can't exist independently.

March 10, 2020: Tests
Trump: And when people need a test, they can get a test.

March 11, 2020: Coronavirus Insurance
Trump: Earlier this week, I met with the leaders of [the] health insurance industry who have agreed to waive all copayments for coronavirus treatments, extend insurance coverage to these treatments, and to prevent surprise medical billing.

March 13, 2020:Google and Drive Thru Testing
Trump: At the same time, we’ve been in discussions with pharmacies and retailers to make drive-thru tests available in the critical locations identified by public health professionals. The goal is for individuals to be able to drive up and be swabbed without having to leave your car.

I want to thank Google. Google is helping to develop a website. It’s going to be very quickly done, unlike websites of the past, to determine whether a test is warranted and to facilitate testing at a nearby convenient location. We have many, many locations behind us, by the way.

We cover the—this country in large part.

So the world, by the way—we’re not going to be talking about the world right now. But we cover very, very strongly our country. Stores in virtually every location. Google has 1,700 engineers working on this right now. They’ve made tremendous progress.

March 14, 2020: Paid Sick Leave
Trump:It also provides paid sick and family medical leave for those who need it, including for those who have the virus, for caregivers, and those looking after children affected by school closures. So that’s all taken care of also. And we’ll continue all of these different actions. We have other things planned.

March 17, 2020: Pandemic
Trump:I’ve always known this is a real, this is a pandemic,” Trump said. “I’ve felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.

March 19, 2020: Chloroquine
Trump: Normally the FDA would take a long time to approve something like [chloroquine], and it’s—it was approved very, very quickly and it’s now approved by prescription.

March 20, 2020: Defense Production Act
Trump:I invoked the Defense Production Act, and last night, we put it into gear. . . . We invoked it, I think, the day before we signed it—the evening of the day before—and invoked it yesterday. We have a lot of people working very hard to do ventilators and various other things. Yes.

March 21, 2020: Ventilators
Trump:But there’s tremendous amounts of—not only masks—of ventilators and respirators and everything you can think of. It’s all being—much of it and almost, I could say, all of it is being manufactured right now. . . . I had three calls yesterday directly. Without having to institute—like, “You will do this”—these companies are making them right now. But to think of these numbers, it’s pretty—it’s pretty mind boggling.

March 23rd, 2020: Open For Business
Trump: America will again, and soon, be open for business—very soon—a lot sooner than three or four months that somebody was suggesting. A lot sooner. We cannot let the cure be worse than the problem itself. We’re not going to let the cure be worse than the problem.

March 25, 2020: Widespread Testing
Question: Dr. Ashish Jha, who is the head of Harvard’s Global Health Institute, says the key to getting this economy open as soon as possible is to test everyone who needs testing so we can quarantine all infected individuals and allow everyone else to go back to work immediately. Would you subscribe to that strategy?

Trump: Look, I saw him. I saw his statement. We have tested, by far, more than anybody. We’re testing more than anybody right now. There’s nobody even close. And our tests are the best tests.

March 26, 2020: China Travel Ban
Trump: We got very lucky when we made a decision not to allow people in from China at a very early date. I say that because some people don’t want to accept it.

March 27, 2020: 22 Days Ago, Nobody Saw This Coming
Trump: Even 22 days to be exact—right?—when we first started seeing some real signs of problems. . . . They were—I don’t want to say unprepared, but nobody was prepared for this. What we’ve done, nobody can even imagine. . . . Well, they say I had classified briefings a long time ago, which wasn’t true. But we’ve had briefings.

March 30, 2020: Nobody Had Any Idea
Trump: A month ago nobody ever heard of this—nobody had any idea.

March 31, 2020: Other People Were Downplaying The Virus
Trump:A lot of people have said, ride it out, don’t do anything, think of it as the flu. But it’s not the flu. It’s vicious.

On March 31st it went from, the I stopped it narrative, to it is an awful Plague and I alone can save you, otherwise millions will die. If only 200,000 die I will have done a great job.

I'm find it hard to believe that anyone's MAGA hat is that tight.

South Korea and the USA had first cases on the same day.

Both are democracies.

US has 294,000 positive test and 8000 deaths
South Korea has 10,500 positive test and 177 deaths
Exponential growth doesn't care about total population

Great job

Bitchslappedboy, these three things will sustain us. I know you hope for failure so you can shout from the top of your mountain.
“ see,told ya”
The world is changing.
America 1st
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[detbuch]

South Korea and Taiwan already had infrastructures in place with adequate supplies to deal with a pandemic, partly because of the previous biological invasions from China, such as SARS. And they have a more compact area in which to mobilize procedures such as testing, as well as more uniform cultures which are willing to obey and cooperate with government guidelines and requests. As well as smaller populations which are not as unwieldly to monitor and thoroughly trace people to people contacts.

The U.S., supposedly, has an infrastructure and SOP in place. It heavily involves the States and local governments as being the front line with the greatest responsibility for fighting pandemics. But neither the federal nor the state and local governments had stocked or restocked the required supplies before Trump came to power, nor were consistently practicing readiness and awareness. So we had to waste time ramping up what should already been in place.

And SK and Taiwan are far more wary than Western countries of the reliability of any information that comes out of China.

China lied about the danger and extent of the covid-19 in Wuhan. And we reacted to China's initial downplay of the virus. It is estimated that China's lack of truth, time being of the essence, critically set back the rest of the world by two weeks or so in properly reacting.

The Trump administration, given the circumstances, has done a credibly, or better, job of actually doing more than our established guidelines for pandemic crises. It is actually doing much of what the states should have been doing. NY, of all places, the possible epicenter of any pandemic or terrorist attack, was woefully unprepared and hypocritically has tried to shift blame on Trump.

So, at this point, what we need is cooperation and effort across all sectors of our society--all hands on deck. Bitching and pointing fingers may be a way of winning an election, but it is a cynical disregard for the safety and well being of our people.

[Pete F.]

Baloney
Trump’s statements alone disprove every claim you made
His downplaying of the possibility of pandemic drove his administration to not pursue it with vigor.
He’s responsible for the death of thousands of Americans
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Baloney
Trump’s statements alone disprove every claim you made
His downplaying of the possibility of pandemic drove his administration to not pursue it with vigor.
He’s responsible for the death of thousands of Americans
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I purposely did not reply specifically as a quote to you. I cannot have a rational discussion with you. We are mentally wired differently. And this reply is not to your opinion here. It would be futile to try to dissuade you from what you believe. You will, as you often put it, keep believing.

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Originally Posted by Pete F.

His downplaying of the possibility of pandemic drove his administration to not pursue it with vigor.
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It certainly appears to have confused and inhibited government response, especially in republican led states where they still are resisting distancing measures, want open churches and beaches etc...

Sorry but the whole “don’t wash your hands to own the libs” attitude has been disasterous.
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[wdmso]

This seems to be the new front in defending Trump. China lied about the danger and extent of the covid-19 in Wuhan.


We spy on countries and know deeper secrets, we do not entrust our national intrest on China or any other country telling the Truth ,

The human intelligence and China actions left little doubt how bad it was ...

Trump and his administration bet against the wrong horse, it's just the flu horse

Yet now 3M is the lastest in His Blame game and deflections... it's ok for your own government to out bid Governors so Trump and Jared can say. Look I gave you xyz... stop your bitchen ..

And a sad truth is regardless if the death predictions are correct Trump supporters
Will see say see the experts were wrong if less deaths. If more Trumps great leadership saved us from how bad it could have been ...because he stopped flights from china .. social distancing medical staff will get no credit with this group

Its a cult of personality

Make NO mistake Democrats behind this with China---! Democrats fake impeachment didn't work so democrats went down another path 'Wuhan Virus' ...I am so angry right now--- Democrats de Blasio and Andrew Cuomo KILLING the patients in New York, they REFUSE to give the medicine to the patients and its all about going after president Trump--- Other states doing the same, following New York---

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

This seems to be the new front in defending Trump. China lied about the danger and extent of the covid-19 in Wuhan.


We spy on countries and know deeper secrets, we do not entrust our national intrest on China or any other country telling the Truth ,

The human intelligence and China actions left little doubt how bad it was ...

The virus was known about by China sometime in late 2019--some say possibly as early as September. It was the duty of the Chinese government to notify the world health community of the first known eruptions. If it had done so, we would have had a much earlier start in preparations.

As far as I can find, our intelligence reports that China might be lying were in January and February of 2020.

Trump imposed the China travel ban and declared a public health emergency in January.

[Pete F.]

Trump did nothing until he was forced to, his information source (Fox and Friends, Hannity) kept the circular narrative going as long as possible.

January 3, 2020: The CDC is first alerted to a public health event in Wuhan, China (This fact was revealed publicly later by HHS Secretary Alex Azar.)

January 6, 2020: The CDC issues a travel notice for Wuhan due to the spreading coronavirus.

Note: The Trump campaign claims that this marks the beginning of the federal government disease control experts becoming aware of the virus. It was 10 weeks from this point until the week of March 16 when Trump began to change his tone on the threat.
January 8, 2020: The CDC issues an official health advisory about COVID-19.

January 10, 2020: Former Trump Homeland Security Advisor Tom Bossert warns that we shouldn’t “jerk around with ego politics” because “we face a global health threat…Coordinate!”

January 18, 2020: After two weeks of attempts, HHS Secretary Alex Azar finally gets the chance to speak to Trump about the virus. The president redirects the conversation to vaping
January 20, 2020: First U.S. case is reported in Washington state.

January 21, 2020: Dr. Nancy Messonnier, the director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Disease at the CDC tells reporters, “We do expect additional cases in the United States.”

January 27, 2020: Top White House aides meet with Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney to encourage greater focus on the threat from the virus. Joe Grogan, head of the White House Domestic Policy Council warns that “dealing with the virus was likely to dominate life in the United States for many months.”

January 28, 2020: Two former Trump administration officials—Gottlieb and Borio—publish an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal imploring the president to “Act Now to Prevent an American Epidemic.” They advocate a 4-point plan to address the coming crisis:

(1) Expand testing to identify and isolate cases.
Note: This did not happen for many weeks. The first time more than 2,000 tests were deployed in a single day was not until almost six weeks later, on March 11.
(2) Boost flu vaccination efforts to reduce the load on hospitals.
(3) Prepare hospital units for isolation with more gowns and masks.
Note: There was no dramatic ramp-up in the production of critical supplies undertaken. As a result, many hospitals quickly experienced shortages of critical PPE materials. Federal agencies waited until Mid-March to begin bulk orders of N95 masks.
(4) Vaccine development.
January 29, 2020: The New York Times reports that “mask hoarders” may cause further shortages when the outbreak reaches America.

January 29, 2020: Republican Senator Tom Cotton reaches out to President Trump in private to encourage him to take the virus seriously.

January 30, 2020: Dr. James Hamblin publishes another warning about critical PPE materials in the Atlantic, titled “We Don’t Have Enough Masks.” At the time, it was clear that mask shortages would be a serious problem. Other countries coping with COVID-19 were already running short on masks and ordering them from America and, in addition, almost the entire CDC stockpile had been consumed during the 2009 flu season.

Late January, 2020: HHS sends a letter asking to use its transfer authority to shift $136 million of department funds into pools that could be tapped for combating the coronavirus. White House budget hawks argued that appropriating too much money at once when there were only a few U.S. cases would be viewed as alarmist.

January 31, 2020: Trump puts into action a temporary travel ban on China. This decision has been the centerpiece of his claim to have responded to the coronavirus. But even here, the truth is somewhat different.

Trump’s Chinese travel ban only banned “foreign nationals who had been in China in the last 14 days.” This wording did not—at all—stop people from arriving in America from China. In fact, for much of the crisis, flights from China landed in America almost daily filled with people who had been in China, but did not fit the category as Trump’s “travel ban” defined it.
January 31, 2020: On the same day Trump was enacting his fake travel ban, Foreign Policy reports that face masks and latex gloves are sold out on Amazon and at leading stores in New York City and suggests the surge in masks being sold to other countries needs “refereeing” in the face of the coming crisis.

February 4, 2020: Gottlieb and Borio take to the WSJ again, this time to warn the president that “a pandemic seems inevitable” and call on the administration to dramatically expand testing, expand the number of labs for reviewing tests, and change the rules to allow for tests of people even if they don’t have a clear known risk factor.

Note: Some of these recommendations were eventually implemented—25 days later.
February 4 or 5, 2020: Robert Kadlec, the assistant secretary for preparedness and response, and other intelligence officials brief the Senate Intelligence Committee that the virus poses a “serious” threat and that “Americans would need to take actions that could disrupt their daily lives.”

February 5, 2020: HHS Secretary Alex Azar requests $2 billion to “buy respirator masks and other supplies for a depleted federal stockpile of emergency medical equipment.” He is rebuffed by Trump and the White House OMB who eventually send Congress a $500 million request weeks later.

To date
328,000 infected
10,000 dead

[detbuch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...ature=emb_logo

[Pete F.]

It’s just the flu
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[Sea Dangles]

He is clearly the greatest president of our lifetime..
Liberal fools!
🧀🧀🧀
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

He is clearly the greatest president of our lifetime..
Liberal fools!
🧀🧀🧀
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MRI1 you remind me of a character in a movie my grand kids liked recently Guardians of the Galaxy, in which there is a tree creature with only one three word line in the entire movie. If you had other talents or contributed some civil discourse, maybe you would remind me of a creature higher up on the evolutionary scale, but just like that dumb tree you keep repeating the same line over and over. Guess what that doesn't make it true, but you need to hear it and see it, so we ALL GET IT, you like this clown. Birds of a feather.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

but just like that dumb tree you keep repeating the same line over and over.

wow...I can't believe YOU...just accused someone else of this

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

wow...I can't believe YOU...just accused someone else of this

come on, just recently he had a thread called “change of pace”, where for a change of pace, he bashed trump. you’re saying he’s a one trick pony? get outta here...
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[Pete F.]

Trump* is no conservative. He’s a lout, liar, fool and demagogue. An American Peron, though Peron actually served in the military. True conservatives despise him.
And the sad thing.. is that Republicans can never go back. Trump* is the Republican party of today.
For all eternity the words “conservative” and “Republican Party” will mean Trumpist, corona debacle, death, corrupt, criminal regime.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

come on, just recently he had a thread called “change of pace”, where for a change of pace, he bashed trump. you’re saying he’s a one trick pony? get outta here...
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When this is over, you three should get a B&B somewhere, clearly this admiration society needs to take that love somewhere. My theme might be the same, but Trump and this administration, keeps giving us new material every day, week and month. Now the family is showing how they too can muddy the water, Jared is a gem coming up with novel plans involving companies that didn’t even know there was a plan. I see there is a new member of the irrelevant force, Jim was trying hard to be part of the group and I really think he is close to earning that coveted title MRI3. Good going Jim.

[Sea Dangles]

Croot?
You call a talking tree dumb? Name a smart tree then!
Just as we all get that you don’t like him.
But that never stopped YOU from criticizing,this rings hollow to some.


Hypocrite much?
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[Pete F.]

Christians have been waiting for the anti-Christ to arrive. And when he does, some of them choose to worship him. Go figure.
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