are quid pro quo’s wrong or not?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Pete, if it’s “legal
and above board” for joe biden and liz warren to use quid pro quo to get what they want, why isn't it legal and above board for trump to do the same.

you say, when democrats do it at least, that using quid pro quo is acceptable to achieve worthy goals.

you also say it’s worth finding out what the biden’s did.

if you put your two principles together, why isn’t it ok for trump to use quid pro quo to achieve what you concede is the worthy goal of seeing what the biden’s were up to?

if a=b, and b=c, doesn’t a=c?

yes, unless trump is involved.
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My original post was not entirely clear.
I corrected it to explain the difference.

If you have a job and negotiate what you are supposed to efficiently, then you get to keep your job. That's the benefit to you.

If you have a job and negotiate what you are supposed to and you tell the party you are negotiating with that in order to make the deal they have to give you personally something of value in addition to your legal purpose. That's self-dealing.

Like do me a favor.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

My original post was not entirely clear.
I corrected it to explain the difference.

If you have a job and negotiate what you are supposed to efficiently, then you get to keep your job. That's the benefit to you.

If you have a job and negotiate what you are supposed to and you tell the party you are negotiating with that in order to make the deal they have to give you personally something of value in addition to your legal purpose. That's self-dealing.

Like do me a favor.

there’s a real likelihood that biden also receives something of personal value, when he used a quid pro quo with ukraine.

you’re twisting yourselves into knots trying to differentiate what trump did from what some democrats did.

and if the standard is you can’t do anything that helps you win the next election ( which is what you’re saying trump did), then they all should have been impeached. they all put pressure on others to get results they think will help them
get re elected.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

there’s a real likelihood that biden also receives something of personal value, when he used a quid pro quo with ukraine.

you’re twisting yourselves into knots trying to differentiate what trump did from what some democrats did.

and if the standard is you can’t do anything that helps you win the next election ( which is what you’re saying trump did), then they all should have been impeached. they all put pressure on others to get results they think will help them
get re elected.
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Quid pro quo is normal
Self dealing is not
Look at the other thread “comes to roost” for the holes in the defense you claim
Ask your corporate attorney about self dealing aka bribery
What did Biden ask for?
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

If biden received something of personal value, when he used a quid pro quo with ukraine and on the off chance it was impeachable, I guess the republicans were asleep at the helm.

I apologize for twisting myself into knots trying to somehow prove what trump did isn’t impeachment worthy
and it’s driving me crazy.
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Probably in the back of your mind that’s what your feeling.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Probably in the back of your mind that’s what your feeling.
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Considering how hard he's being spun by Trump I'm not sure he can tell the back from the front.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Considering how hard he's being spun by Trump I'm not sure he can tell the back from the front.

well we can't all be as honest as you are, i never criticize trump and you often criticize liberals.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Probably in the back of your mind that’s what your feeling.
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you said you applaud the investigation that u covered Giulianis corruption, so why are you opposed to trump wanting a similar investigation into biden?
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[scottw]

keeps getting better



Oct. 24, 2019, 12:05 PM EDT
By Laura Strickler and Rich Schapiro

In the final year of the Obama administration, an American lawyer traveled to Romania to meet with a businessman accused of orchestrating a corrupt land deal.

The businessman was Gabriel “Puiu” Popoviciu, a wealthy Romanian real estate tycoon. The lawyer brought in to advise him was Hunter Biden, the son of then-Vice President Joe Biden, according to two people familiar with the matter.

Hunter Biden’s work for Popoviciu in 2016 went unreported at the time, but Joe Biden’s involvement in Romania was very much public. The vice president was among the leading voices pushing the government to crack down on corruption.

There’s no evidence that Hunter or his father acted improperly or violated any laws. But the arrangement, government ethics experts say, raises concerns that Hunter Biden was used as a prop in Popoviciu’s effort to dodge criminal prosecution.

“We don’t know what [Hunter Biden] was paid or what he was paid for but it does raise questions of whether this Romanian individual facing criminal charges was actually paying for a connection to the American vice president,” said Kathleen Clark, a Washington University law professor who specializes in government ethics.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

keeps getting better



Oct. 24, 2019, 12:05 PM EDT
By Laura Strickler and Rich Schapiro

In the final year of the Obama administration, an American lawyer traveled to Romania to meet with a businessman accused of orchestrating a corrupt land deal.

The businessman was Gabriel “Puiu” Popoviciu, a wealthy Romanian real estate tycoon. The lawyer brought in to advise him was Hunter Biden, the son of then-Vice President Joe Biden, according to two people familiar with the matter.

Hunter Biden’s work for Popoviciu in 2016 went unreported at the time, but Joe Biden’s involvement in Romania was very much public. The vice president was among the leading voices pushing the government to crack down on corruption.

There’s no evidence that Hunter or his father acted improperly or violated any laws. But the arrangement, government ethics experts say, raises concerns that Hunter Biden was used as a prop in Popoviciu’s effort to dodge criminal prosecution.

“We don’t know what [Hunter Biden] was paid or what he was paid for but it does raise questions of whether this Romanian individual facing criminal charges was actually paying for a connection to the American vice president,” said Kathleen Clark, a Washington University law professor who specializes in government ethics.

Does that mean you have concerns
Poor thing
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

you said you applaud the investigation that u covered Giulianis corruption, so why are you opposed to trump wanting a similar investigation into biden?
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I’m pretty sure the only corruption Trump is worried about is the stuff he wasn’t invited to participate in.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

I’m pretty sure

Because if you say so, it must be true.