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10-03-2019, 02:16 PM
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By a 52-21 margin, Americans think asking Ukraine to investigate Biden is an abuse of power, per USAToday poll.
The gap among independents is huge: 45%-16%.
It's even close among Republicans: 30%-40%.
Doubling down like this is ... unbelievably risky.
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10-03-2019, 02:23 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete F.
By a 52-21 margin, Americans think asking Ukraine to investigate Biden is an abuse of power, per USAToday poll.
The gap among independents is huge: 45%-16%.
It's even close among Republicans: 30%-40%.
Doubling down like this is ... unbelievably risky.
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Oh for God's sake. Let's take a poll to determine the truth. How many Americans even know about MLAT's. What is sacrosanct about Biden. Is he above the law? Being a President who bucks the establishment is unbelievably risky. I'm surprised Trump has gotten this far. |
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10-03-2019, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by detbuch
Oh for God's sake. Let's take a poll to determine the truth. How many Americans even know about MLAT's. What is sacrosanct about Biden. Is he above the law? Being a President who bucks the establishment is unbelievably risky. I'm surprised Trump has gotten this far.
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Using the power of your office to investigate your opponent is illegal.
McGhan told him that. |
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10-03-2019, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
Using the power of your office to investigate your opponent is illegal.
McGhan told him that.
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So when senate democrats used their office to ask Ukraine to investigate Manafort and Trump, what was that? Heroism? |
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10-03-2019, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
So when senate democrats used their office to ask Ukraine to investigate Manafort and Trump, what was that? Heroism?
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They hid it in the congressional record.
https://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/m...estigation.pdf
WASHINGTON–U.S. Senators Bob Menendez (D-N.J.), #^&#^&#^&#^& Durbin (D-Ill.), and Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.)issued the following joint statement in response to President Trump’s reference to a letter they sent to the General Prosecutor of Ukraine in 2018 raising their concerns that the Trump Administration could unduly pressure Ukraine into obstructing the Mueller investigation by withholding funding:
“President Trump is desperate to divert attention from his abuse of power. We wrote to the Ukrainian prosecutor general in 2018 regarding press reports that, in order to curry favor with President Trump, Ukraine was considering not cooperating with Special Counsel Mueller’s investigation into Russian interference in U.S. elections.
“The Ukrainians were justifiably concerned that Trump would exact revenge by blocking security assistance if they did not act in his political favor. It turns out that was truer than any of us could have imagined. Yes, we were worried that the President of the United States would abuse his office and leverage U.S. security assistance for his own personal agenda back in 2018. It looks like we were right then and we are right now.
The Senators’ letter was written in response to a New York Times report that the Ukrainian Prosecutor General was considering not cooperating with the Mueller Probe out of concern that President Trump would cut off aid as punishment. The Senators’ letter in no way calls for the conditioning of U.S. security assistance to Ukraine. |
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10-03-2019, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
They hid it in the congressional record.
https://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/m...estigation.pdf
WASHINGTON–U.S. Senators Bob Menendez (D-N.J.), #^&#^&#^&#^& Durbin (D-Ill.), and Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.)issued the following joint statement in response to President Trump’s reference to a letter they sent to the General Prosecutor of Ukraine in 2018 raising their concerns that the Trump Administration could unduly pressure Ukraine into obstructing the Mueller investigation by withholding funding:
“President Trump is desperate to divert attention from his abuse of power. We wrote to the Ukrainian prosecutor general in 2018 regarding press reports that, in order to curry favor with President Trump, Ukraine was considering not cooperating with Special Counsel Mueller’s investigation into Russian interference in U.S. elections.
“The Ukrainians were justifiably concerned that Trump would exact revenge by blocking security assistance if they did not act in his political favor. It turns out that was truer than any of us could have imagined. Yes, we were worried that the President of the United States would abuse his office and leverage U.S. security assistance for his own personal agenda back in 2018. It looks like we were right then and we are right now.
The Senators’ letter was written in response to a New York Times report that the Ukrainian Prosecutor General was considering not cooperating with the Mueller Probe out of concern that President Trump would cut off aid as punishment. The Senators’ letter in no way calls for the conditioning of U.S. security assistance to Ukraine. |
And again, when the senators claim they did nothing wrong, that's good enough for you. Because they are democrats. |
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10-03-2019, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
And again, when the senators claim they did nothing wrong, that's good enough for you. Because they are democrats.
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Which of the three questions are wrong?
As members of a coequal branch of government what are they prohibited by the Constitution from doing that is in that letter? |
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10-03-2019, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
Using the power of your office to investigate your opponent is illegal.
McGhan told him that.
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McGhan wasn't referring to the power of office to request assistance from an MLAT partner. It would be silly to say that, Oh, it's OK to investigate somebody if they are not your opponent, but if they are, then you can't touch them. That is non-sense. The request had to do with Ukraine corruption that affected and/or interfered with an election. Nobody is immune from such an investigation just because he is an opponent.
Trump certainly wasn't immune from being investigated even though he was a candidate for office and his opponents asked for help in discrediting him and finding out if he had committed crimes and interfered with an election. |
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