Can you imagine a worse reason to start a civil war?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

OK, so what you're saying is that there is no federal statutory reason here for the impeachment by this federal House of Representatives (there is no evidence of bribery in the transcript). And we both agree that Congress can cook up any grounds it wants to impeach if it has the votes.

This post by you was in response to my saying yes, do focus on the transcript. As usual, you wander on to other possibilities and conjectures. And, in the end, you seem to settle on this impeachment attempt being for whatever the House wants it to be about. The transcript, which I said to focus on (which I thought you wanted to do in your post that I responded to), in substantive fact, has no statutory or criminal reasons for impeachment. It's simply about the House wanting to impeach.

In substantive fact, actually, the transcript does contain a legitimate request, per the treaty with Ukraine, to assist on a matter pertaining to an ongoing DOJ investigation. That is something you, to this point, have avoided talking about. Why?

Show me the legitimate request in the memo, per the treaty.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Show me the legitimate request in the memo, per the treaty.

Are you for real? The whole nonsense is about Trump's request for aid from a foreign government. That request, per the MLAT treaty was valid and treaty members are obliged, per treaty, to assist when asked.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Are you for real? The whole nonsense is about Trump's request for aid from a foreign government. That request, per the MLAT treaty was valid and treaty members are obliged, per treaty, to assist when asked.

And legitimate requests are typically hidden on that server?

Presidential conversations with a foreign leader are circulated among the members of the administration that are affected by them.
No one saw it.
They buried it.
They buried the whistleblowers report.
They are stonewalling the investigation.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

And legitimate requests are typically hidden on that server?

Presidential conversations with a foreign leader are circulated among the members of the administration that are affected by them.
No one saw it.
They buried it.
They buried the whistleblowers report.
They are stonewalling the investigation.

Trump released the transcript. It is not hidden. If you don't know what is on the server, how can you definitively accuse Trump of bribery, treachery, high crimes and misdemeanors?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Trump released the transcript. It is not hidden. If you don't know what is on the server, how can you definitively accuse Trump of bribery, treachery, high crimes and misdemeanors?

Trump released the memo, he claims there is a word by word transcript by professional stenographers.
The full conversation remain hidden.
Until the obstruction stops and all the evidence is produced no one can be definite.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Trump released the memo, he claims there is a word by word transcript by professional stenographers.
The full conversation remain hidden.
Until the obstruction stops and all the evidence is produced no one can be definite.

No one except you. That being said, let's impeach the m-fer anyway.