How Fake News Is Used to Undermine Trump & Divide America

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

I really should include you when talking about childish, you have it down pat.
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Just as you have illiteracy down pat.

Cheetahs again?
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[Pete F.]

@JRubinBlogger wields her Magnum Sharpie to connect the dots. “And so it is that a map, covered widely by news media and used for comedic fodder by late-night comedians, has entrapped Trump in a web of his own lies, obsessions and insecurities.”
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

@JRubinBlogger wields her Magnum Sharpie to connect the dots. “And so it is that a map, covered widely by news media and used for comedic fodder by late-night comedians, has entrapped Trump in a web of his own lies, obsessions and insecurities.”
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this is dumb...trump did provide the dummies with something to blabber on about mindlessly and endlessly though....marker gate.....he and his family are probably robbing the bank while the dummies talk about magic markers

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

this is dumb...trump did provide the dummies with something to blabber on about mindlessly and endlessly though....marker gate.....he and his family are probably robbing the bank while the dummies talk about magic markers

Well, you finally put your proverbial finger on Trump’s MO
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Trump sets himself against anyone who doesn’t support him.

How do you know such a thing? How do you know that there are not many instances in which he doesn't? Just because your preferred media hasn't reported it or isn't even aware of it? You seem to be an absolutist for that which you think you know. Yet it is apparent that you're ignorant of a whole lot more things than the limited number of things you think you know.

And, anyway, what's so wrong about being against those who do not support you, especially when you are in a war with those who want to destroy you?

He consistently denigrates anyone who criticizes him in any way and demands praise that in his mind and perhaps yours is due.

Again, what makes you think you know of every instance where someone criticized him? How do you know that there are not times when he was criticized and he not only didn't denigrate, but thanked or agreed with someone who pointed out his error? And what's so bad about denigrating someone who unfairly criticizes you, especially when you are in a war with those who want to destroy you?

His base, of which you seem to be part, has shown no growth despite the good economy.

I don't know if that is true or significant to me if it were. I have no faith in media statistics. They have so often been wrong. And about stuff that is irrelevant to what is politically important to me.

I have seen no demonstrable evidence that he is not any of the things he has been accused of, and far more evidence that he is.

I don't believe that you would accept demonstrable evidence. I have, many times, pointed out how long lists of what you consider evidence were neither demonstrable nor correctly applicable to Trump. You never were able to demonstrably refute me. You seem to just keep throwing out stuff you read or saw which denigrated Trump, some of which you haven't fully understood or which actually refuted your opinion. But which ultimately are no more than opinion. Biased, unsubstantiated opinion.

Claiming that you are the least........does not make you so, but in most people’s minds, reinforces the belief that the converse is true.
60% of Americans are too smart to fall for Trump.

Again, you spout vague, biased opinion. And throw in some media statistic that is irrelevant, not truly substantiated (no-one has polled 60% of Americans), and probably has internal biases and contradictions which, when considered, skew the totality in a direction not intended by a bald sample. One can find statistics which favor Trump as well. If all the agenda driven statistics were quoted, could we tally them and claim that if anti-Trump stats outnumber pro-Trump stats, then the anti would win and therefore prove that Trump is a bad guy, or vice versa? This is nonsense.


Just so you know where I'm coming from, let me say that your opinions may be right. And they may be wrong. But proof requires, for me, a high bar to hurdle. For me, your supposed evidences have not even come close to jumping that high. Your stuff is like the Russian collusion, conspiracy thing was and which went up in smoke when media and political anti-Trumpists had their constantly iterated and expanding inflammatory bubble burst when their narrative was actually scrutinized rather than just merely being accepted. And like plans B, C, et al (racist, white nationalist, and so forth) that followed when that failed. A whole lot of circumstantial factoids, spiced up with biased opinion, presented as a plausible package of destructive Trump guilt.

There is nothing substantial in all that diatribe, biased accusation, and shear puffery or propaganda to outweigh my desire for policies that lead to the actual constitutional government that I prefer. Progressivism, no matter how nice or moral or honest the candidate, is counter to what I stand for. If the only other viable choice is a Republican, a lesser devil, giving some hope for constitutionalism, then that will win my vote.

[Pete F.]

There’s always a tweet for that
http://www.trumptwitterarchive.com/
Trump is an odd way to get to a strict Constitutionalist government. Keep believing, the gong will sound soon for Trump’s amateur hour.
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[Sea Dangles]

Oh good.....a prediction.
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[Sea Dangles]

Do you mean steal?
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Do you mean steal?
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definitely smarter than the average beer...hang on....spence is asking me to be more pacific

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by scottw

definitely smarter than the average beer...hang on....spence is asking me to be more pacific

Boy you two are a couple of gems, I couldn't care less to get readers on when posting from my ipad and if you can't get the meaning of the word I suspect you two might be the slower of the group. Auto fill works fast and I couldn't care less to proof read everything before I post, but hey keep up the childish insults it only proves what I already know.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Boy you two are a couple of gems, I couldn't care less to get readers on when posting from my ipad and if you can't get the meaning of the word I suspect you two might be the slower of the group. Auto fill works fast and I couldn't care less to proof read everything before I post, but hey keep up the childish insults it only proves what I already know.

that's a great philosophy in life...."I get stuff wrong and everyone else should just deal with it if they don't like it(or find it amusing) because I don't care"...hopefully you don't build things

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by scottw

that's a great philosophy in life...."I get stuff wrong and everyone else should just deal with it if they don't like it(or find it amusing) because I don't care"...hopefully you don't build things

Are you two that lame that when two might get auto filled into too, or steal gets turned into steel by a bit of software built in, that it’s hard to fathom the meaning. Or maybe it’s even more lame that you continue to find a need to comment, it’s really not painting either of you two (or too) in a good light.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

I’m sure our forefathers didn’t want the president having the ability to call anything an emergency in order to steel money appropriated for military use. Congress using the power of the purse approved those projects and Trump is being so fing desperate to get some of his fence built ahead of 2020, he feels he can overstep and steel those funds.
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Our forefathers didn't use loose language when they wrote the Constitution. "Anything" is too vague in this instance. A specific thing is being addressed here as needing speedy attention. Many thousands of foreigners are illegally crossing our borders without regard to our laws, wishes, national stability, and economic and cultural well being.

You vaguely, loosely, refer to Trump overstepping and stealing. He has not overstepped. He is not stealing. He is trying to protect our borders, which is the responsibility of the federal government, and the duty of the president to execute. The use of the US military resources to protect our borders is constitutionally legitimate. The major, if not entire, purpose of having a national military is to protect our country against any foreign intrigue, which would include massive, illegal penetration of our borders.

[Pete F.]

Baloney
Congress specifically did not authorize the funding for the wall.
Trump decided to declare an emergency and said in public in the Rose Garden that he did not need to declare said emergency.
If you can spin that into Article 2 powers, you have a very broad interpretation.
He was probably just kidding, or misconstrued.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Baloney
Congress specifically did not authorize the funding for the wall.
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weren't you just whining recently that not enough wall has been built to date?


what a maroon

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Baloney
Congress specifically did not authorize the funding for the wall.
Trump decided to declare an emergency and said in public in the Rose Garden that he did not need to declare said emergency.
If you can spin that into Article 2 powers, you have a very broad interpretation.
He was probably just kidding, or misconstrued.

There are several billion dollars of UNOBLIGATED funds in the military budget that can be transferred to other projects, such as wall construction, that the Pentagon deems necessary or appropriate. Which it has. And you guys seem to miss that the Senate is the other half of Congress. In order for "Congress" to disapprove of how that money is spent, it would take both the House and the Senate to agree. At this point, the Senate is backing the President.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

There are several billion dollars of UNOBLIGATED funds in the military budget that can be transferred to other projects, such as wall construction, that the Pentagon deems necessary or appropriate. Which it has. And you guys seem to miss that the Senate is the other half of Congress. In order for "Congress" to disapprove of how that money is spent, it would take both the House and the Senate to agree. At this point, the Senate is backing the President.

That all works as long as you declare an emergency, but when you claim you didn't need to it ought to make you think. I suppose it was just hyperbole, puffery or it could be another lie.



The Space Control Facility at Peterson Air Force Base is out. No doubt Gen. John W. Raymond, the newly appointed head of Space Command, would have objected to robbing Peterson to pay for the wall.

The Fire/Crash/Rescue Station at Tyndall Air Force Base in Florida is no more, because who needs rescuing from a crashed or flaming airplane?

The Child Development Center at Joint Base Andrews will not be built. Those youngsters, “ages six weeks to five years,” will probably be fine at whatever facility they currently have, which the Defense Department obviously had previously considered inadequate. Ditto the middle school in Fort Campbell, Kentucky.

The Ambulatory Care Center at Camp Lejeune, North Carolina, will go without its renovation. But remember, just because President Trump’s executive order took money away from health care for servicemembers — to pay for a wall we don’t need that he promised Mexico would pay for — doesn’t mean he loves the troops any less.

The Laurel Bay Fire Station in Beaufort, South Carolina, will not be replaced. Whatever was wrong with the old fire station that convinced the Defense Department to replace it will remain wrong with it.

Joint Base Langley-Eustis in Virginia will not get a new cyber operations facility, because the future of warfare probably has nothing to do with computers and everything to do with walls.

The hazardous materials warehouse at Norfolk Navy Base in Norfolk, Virginia, will not be replaced. What could go wrong?

These are just examples from the contiguous United States. There are other programs being cancelled in U.S. territories and overseas bases, including more schools for the children of servicemembers, readiness centers, a hazardous material storage building, repair facilities for stealth fighter jets, and dozens of training facilities.

The military construction budget was gutted to build 175 miles of wall and fencing along the border with Mexico, which is about 2,000 miles long.

Good thing nothing they canceled was all that important.

https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...&sidebar=false

Just remember your justification when the next president declares an emergency to solve one of these problems.

1. Divert military money to fund renewable energy and climate-related construction projects
2. Block domestic oil drilling
3. Restrict car emissions
4. Overhaul trade with countries that buy and sell fossil fuels
5. Change gun regulations
And when you say they could not, keep in mind that at the beginning of the year it was thought that Trump couldn't.

[Pete F.]

Soem poepel konw teh dfiferenec betewne a becnh and a pniao.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

That all works as long as you declare an emergency, but when you claim you didn't need to it ought to make you think. I suppose it was just hyperbole, puffery or it could be another lie.

He did declare an emergency. So, as you say, it all works. Enough for me when it comes to the question of leglality and unconstitutionality. As for whether an emergency is needed for the Pentagon to spend unobligated funds on other things, I don't know. I don't think an emergency is needed to do so. But I don't know. I was responding to the objections that Trump was somehow trampling the Constitution. And that he was stealing. It seems that you have come around to seeing that he was not illegally messing with Congress's power of the purse

There are other programs being cancelled.

The military construction budget was gutted to build 175 miles of wall and fencing along the border with Mexico, which is about 2,000 miles long.

Sometimes priorities suck.

Just remember your justification when the next president declares an emergency

I didn't create a justification. I stated the legal process that exists. If you don't like that legal process, then remember how we got to the point that the federal government has far more power than the Constitution originally gave it.

to solve one of these problems.

1. Divert military money to fund renewable energy and climate-related construction projects
2. Block domestic oil drilling
3. Restrict car emissions
4. Overhaul trade with countries that buy and sell fossil fuels
5. Change gun regulations
And when you say they could not, keep in mind that at the beginning of the year it was thought that Trump couldn't.

This is rich. You didn't seem concerned about warnings about what the federal government could become and do as a result of Progressive "interpretations" of the law.

It would be nice if we didn't insist that the federal government solve many of the problems that the states and the free market should solve. If it didn't it might be easier to fund it and the things it should constitutionally solve.

[Got Stripers]

I’m just concerned for you two, is it early dementia, impaired reasoning is an early symptom.
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[Sea Dangles]

Get out the violin.
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