Student loan forgiveness

[Rmarsh]

The salaries of these professors are ridiculous.
Check out the payroll for Umass...thousands of 6 figure salaries.
When I wanted to sign up for a course to learn autocad....my dad said..."why do you need to pay someone to tell you to open a book and study". He was right...I taught myself through study and practice.
Plumbers and electricians have some protections from the invasion of illegal immigrants...as far as the carpentry trade.....forget it.

The top salaries are listed by name, job title and annual pay.

Mohammad A. Karim, Provost, Executive VC, COO, $295,100
Divina G. Grossman, Chancellor, $280,210
Mary Lu Bilek, Dean, UMass Law, $273,890
Mark Preble, VC, Admin. & Fiscal Services, $229,999
Steven E. Lorenz, Dean of SMAST, $229,413
Jeannette Riley, Dean, College of Arts & Sciences, $219,999
Angappa Gunasekaran, Dean, Charlton College of Business, $219,811
Robert E. Peck, Dean, College of Engineering, $216,589
Magali M. Carrera, Vice Provost for Academic Affairs, $196,402
Farhad Azadivar, Professor, Engineering, $181,166
Matthew H. Roy, Asst. Provost & Dir. Civic Engagment, $180,874
Gerard Kavanaugh, Sr. VC, Strategic Management, $180,000

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Rmarsh

The salaries of these professors are ridiculous.
Check out the payroll for Umass...thousands of 6 figure salaries.
When I wanted to sign up for a course to learn autocad....my dad said..."why do you need to pay someone to tell you to open a book and study". He was right...I taught myself through study and practice.
Plumbers and electricians have some protections from the invasion of illegal immigrants...as far as the carpentry trade.....forget it.

The top salaries are listed by name, job title and annual pay.

Mohammad A. Karim, Provost, Executive VC, COO, $295,100
Divina G. Grossman, Chancellor, $280,210
Mary Lu Bilek, Dean, UMass Law, $273,890
Mark Preble, VC, Admin. & Fiscal Services, $229,999
Steven E. Lorenz, Dean of SMAST, $229,413
Jeannette Riley, Dean, College of Arts & Sciences, $219,999
Angappa Gunasekaran, Dean, Charlton College of Business, $219,811
Robert E. Peck, Dean, College of Engineering, $216,589
Magali M. Carrera, Vice Provost for Academic Affairs, $196,402
Farhad Azadivar, Professor, Engineering, $181,166
Matthew H. Roy, Asst. Provost & Dir. Civic Engagment, $180,874
Gerard Kavanaugh, Sr. VC, Strategic Management, $180,000

and a huge number of the professors don’t work
anywhere near 2,000
hours a year.
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[DZ]

If you accept loan forgiveness there has to be a "repayment" to society.
Maybe for every $25,000 in loan forgiveness... you serve one year in military.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by DZ

If you accept loan forgiveness there has to be a "repayment" to society.
Maybe for every $25,000 in loan forgiveness... you serve one year in military.

Always thought this would make a good pathway to citizenship.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Always thought this would make a good pathway to citizenship.
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It is "Naturalization Through Military Service"

https://www.uscis.gov/military/natur...litary-service

but "After Serving in the Military, Immigrants Now Face Deportation"

https://www.military.com/daily-news/...portation.html

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

It is "Naturalization Through Military Service"

https://www.uscis.gov/military/natur...litary-service

but "After Serving in the Military, Immigrants Now Face Deportation"

https://www.military.com/daily-news/...portation.html

Thats a "Kinda" the same but not really. The naturalization through military service requires you to be a legal permanent resident to enlist. Those coming in illegally can't join the military so they don't qualify for it. Which is more what I was referring to. They want illegals to have a pathway to citizenship, maybe allowing them to enlist is a way.

the 2nd article is fluff that really has no bearing. I feel sorry for the guy, but A) he never filed to become naturalized and B) he became a felon, so that's a big 'Sorry, Not Sorry" for me.

maybe there is some tweaking that needs to be done with the rule.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Thats a "Kinda" the same but not really. The naturalization through military service requires you to be a legal permanent resident to enlist. Those coming in illegally can't join the military so they don't qualify for it. Which is more what I was referring to. They want illegals to have a pathway to citizenship, maybe allowing them to enlist is a way.

the 2nd article is fluff that really has no bearing. I feel sorry for the guy, but A) he never filed to become naturalized and B) he became a felon, so that's a big 'Sorry, Not Sorry" for me.

maybe there is some tweaking that needs to be done with the rule.

You didn't read the whole article.
Trump eliminated MAVNI almost immediately after election.

There's another much smaller group of veterans who face potential deportation -- asylum seekers, refugees and certain visa-holders who served in the military to provide specific language, health care backgrounds or cultural skills considered vital to the nation's interest. This group is part of the Military Accessions Vital to National Interest program, otherwise known as MAVNI.

More than 10,000 enlisted in MAVNI from 2009 to late 2016, when the program was essentially abolished, according to retired U.S. Army Lt. Colonel Margaret Stock, who spearheaded MAVNI. Under Stock, the program made it possible for newly enlisted immigrants to get access to a sped-up naturalization process while still in basic training.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Rmarsh

The salaries of these professors are ridiculous.
Check out the payroll for Umass...thousands of 6 figure salaries.

If you want to be a good contractor you don't hire a bunch of illegal immigrants, do you?

You hire people whose qualifications meet your needs, whether they are laborers or millwrights and good ones are better compensated than hacks.

Why would people at the top of their field work for less in education, than they can command in the private sector?
If you google most any of the people in the top salaries list, you'll find that they have extensive experience, a great CV and are extensively published.
There are some hacks in Community Colleges and also some people who love to teach, but the compensation doesn't compare.
I know one guy who is a CC professor that loves it, he said it is way easier than working for a major university or College. No publish or perish, no year round labs, no masters or doctorate programs to deal with. Just students when you are in session and short terms. That is not true for top schools.

When I wanted to sign up for a course to learn autocad....my dad said..."why do you need to pay someone to tell you to open a book and study". He was right...I taught myself through study and practice.

You are lucky to be able to self educate, many people can't.

You can become a lawyer in some states by reading the law without ever going to law school, but few people do it.
I don't know many other professions that you can do that in, you have to go to college to get the creds and what college you attend matters. That is why people bribing people to get into schools was in the news recently.

Plumbers and electricians have some protections from the invasion of illegal immigrants...as far as the carpentry trade.....forget it.

You are lucky to be able to self educate, many people can't.

You can become a lawyer in some states by reading the law without ever going to law school, but few people do it.
I don't know many other professions that you can do that in, you have to go to college to get the creds and what college you attend matters. That is why people bribing people to get into schools was in the news recently.

I remember years ago sitting at break, one of the guys said "I learned my trade, blah, blah" Someone said what trade is that?
He said carpentry and the other guy said: "Kid, you're in Vermont, carpentering is something most any farmer can do."
The guy with a trade became a teacher, actually.

There were a lot of farmers turned hack contractors in the 70s. I know a few that were pretty good though. Self taught good mechanics.