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07-21-2019, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
“You start out in 1954 by saying, ‘Nigger, nigger, nigger.’ By 1968 you can’t say ‘nigger’—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites. . . . ‘We want to cut this,’ is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than ‘Nigger, nigger.’”
Lee Atwater 1981
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So I want to be absolutely EFFING clear here. Are you implying that if someone does not follow your tune, that they are racist?
Answer Pete, and be crystal clear, leave no room for doubt.
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07-21-2019, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnR
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So I want to be absolutely EFFING clear here. Are you implying that if someone does not follow your tune, that they are racist?
Answer Pete, and be crystal clear, leave no room for doubt.
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John
That’s all the Liberals have got.
They’ve got nothing to stand on.
It’s the Obama playbook.
Everyone that disagrees with them is a Racist, bigot, homophobe, and what ever else phobe they can come up with.
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07-21-2019, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnR
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So I want to be absolutely EFFING clear here. Are you implying that if someone does not follow your tune, that they are racist?
Answer Pete, and be crystal clear, leave no room for doubt.
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That’s pretty islahomoracaphobic of you John.
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"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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07-21-2019, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnR
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So I want to be absolutely EFFING clear here. Are you implying that if someone does not follow your tune, that they are racist?
Answer Pete, and be crystal clear, leave no room for doubt.
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This is just PeteF. doing his ghetto impersonation of the man he loathes. Trying his hardest to inspire his base while simultaneously grasping at Spence’ imaginary straws. Not really making a point but hey,it’s Sunday.
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07-21-2019, 11:14 AM
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I don't need the surgically precise yet subtly nuanced explanations of Ronnie and Chris ; ) - I need Pete's clarification.
No, I want to hear what Pete says. A chance to walk the statement back, or double down.
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07-21-2019, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnR
I don't need the surgically precise yet subtly nuanced explanations of Ronnie and Chris ; ) - I need Pete's clarification.
No, I want to hear what Pete says. A chance to walk the statement back, or double down.
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I'm not sure anyone here has taken the 3 seconds to understand what Atwater was saying.
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07-21-2019, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
I'm not sure anyone here has taken the 3 seconds to understand what Atwater was saying.
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We can’t all be as smart as you, Spence.
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07-21-2019, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
We can’t all be as smart as you, Spence.
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Has nothing to do with intelligence it's about effort.
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07-21-2019, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
Has nothing to do with intelligence it's about effort.
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We can’t all be as motivated as you, Spence
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07-21-2019, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
I'm not sure anyone here has taken the 3 seconds to understand what Atwater was saying.
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Did you? I took a bit more than three seconds. And Found that Pete's quote, by selective editing, implies the exact opposite of what Atwater was saying. Typical leftist, lying trick.
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archiv...really-say.php
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07-21-2019, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by detbuch
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Woa, powerlineblog, you really brought out the experts there
Reading his full remarks it's pretty clear what he was saying, you don't have to make race a front line issue when the dog whistles are already there regardless if it's intentional or not.
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07-21-2019, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
Woa, powerlineblog, you really brought out the experts there
So you have no answer, other than your usual kill the messenger response. The article clearly parsed what Atwater said, and he didn't leave out the critical words that the leftists commentators did. Leaving out important sentences in order to mislead about what was really said is a strong indication that you are intentionally lying. And there were other articles that pointed out that lying trick and also corroborated what powerline said.
Your depending blindly on who you consider "experts" is an admission that you can't trust yourself. Didn't your "experts" say that Hillary was absolutely without a doubt going to win? Weren't they claiming that Mueller would prove that Trump conspired with Russia? Didn't they say that by now the economy under Trump's policies would crash?
Reading his full remarks it's pretty clear what he was saying, you don't have to make race a front line issue when the dog whistles are already there regardless if it's intentional or not.
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Atwater did was not saying what PeteF's edited quote implied. That was pretty clear in his full remarks. Your creepy "dog whistles" notwithstanding. You seem to hear those whistles when they are convenient to promote a lie. You'd think that everyone else could here them. Maybe leftists act and think like dogs.
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07-21-2019, 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by detbuch
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And you found someone’s opinion
There are opposite opinions also, so citing a right wing opinion doesn’t make it true
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07-21-2019, 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
And you found someone’s opinion
There are opposite opinions also, so citing a right wing opinion doesn’t make it true
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Is this the case for both sides of the aisle. Because your a one trick pony in this game.
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07-21-2019, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnR
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So I want to be absolutely EFFING clear here. Are you implying that if someone does not follow your tune, that they are racist?
Answer Pete, and be crystal clear, leave no room for doubt.
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No John
What I think is the current Republican Party is playing the same identity politics card game they have accused the left of for years. Just the suit they picked is Aces not Spades.
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07-21-2019, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
No John
What I think is the current Republican Party is playing the same identity politics card game they have accused the left of for years. Just the suit they picked is Aces not Spades.
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And you're doing that by posting a misleading, selectively edited quote?
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07-21-2019, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by detbuch
And you're doing that by posting a misleading, selectively edited quote?
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he says we’re all racists, john calls him out, and he rolls
over like a dog and denies it.
cutting taxes is racist? are there different rates based on skin color?
nothing more
loathsome or cowardly then calling someone a racist and then denying it. grow a pair and own it.
liberals want to abort blacks out of existence, and those that get through the abortion gauntlet, are crippled by making them
addicted to welfare. but that’s not racist.
that’s why all
the liberal, urban cities are thriving. because liberals are looking out for those folks.
i look at cities like bridgeport, and i say these people are americans and deserve better. liberals say they deserve more of the same.
and i’m the racist. gotcha.
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07-21-2019, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
liberals want to abort blacks out of existence, and those that get through the abortion gauntlet, are crippled by making them
addicted to welfare. but that’s not racist.
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Yea Jim, that's exactly what the plan is
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that’s why all
the liberal, urban cities are thriving. because liberals are looking out for those folks.
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Most large cities skew to be more liberal and most are doing pretty well these days.
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07-21-2019, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
Yea Jim, that's exactly what the plan is
Most large cities skew to be more liberal and most are doing pretty well these days.
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margaret samgers reasons for launching planned parenthood are well known. more black babies are aborted than born in NYC. in CT, the largest cities are in collapse, and all any liberal proposes, is more of the same. bill clinton kicked millions off welfare, and they went back to work, and he’s a liberal icon. anyone who
proposes that today is a loathsome racist.
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07-21-2019, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
margaret samgers reasons for launching planned parenthood are well known.
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Yes, to allow women access to birth control. Put some time in and you'll quickly see you don't know what you're talking about.
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more black babies are aborted than born in NYC.
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Maybe you should look at their access to contraception as well as national numbers.
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in CT, the largest cities are in collapse, and all any liberal proposes, is more of the same.
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New Haven is still doing surprisingly well. Plenty of blame to go around but I think one of the biggest issues CT has faced is that NYC and Boston became more desirable places for young people to live in the last 20 years. Has less to do with politics than just mega trends.
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bill clinton kicked millions off welfare, and they went back to work, and he’s a liberal icon. anyone who
proposes that today is a loathsome racist.
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Clinton's welfare reform was a bipartisan deal during a booming economy, what happened to those people when it crashed?
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