Children as chess pieces

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

it’s funny, until very recently, all the liberals said the problem at our southern border was a “manufactured crisis”, fabricated by Trump to fire up his base. Now all of a sudden, the crisis is so real that we have concentration camps. that sure deteriorated quickly!!
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You really are just that blind.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

You really are just that blind.

log on, lob a baseless insult, scurry off, repeat.

everyone in DC, on both sides, gets a richly deserved grade of F on this issue. but neither you nor the media gave a frogs fat azz, until Trump took office. that photo in the article TDF shared, got exactly zero attention at the time. None. Because you and the
media were too busy getting weak in the knees every time obama
spoke, to hold him accountable for
anything. But the second Trump took the oath, Bam, then you started caring.

Make. That. Wrong.
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[Pete F.]

This thread is like the middle school argument from my childhood: "your mother wears army boots", "No, your's does".

On the Trumpist right the response has been to simultaneously deny that Trump is heartless and cruel and then claim in the same breath that Obama did all of this heartless and cruel stuff first, meanwhile the Democrats are claiming to be virgins.

Never mind that the real answer is that immigration is a complex problem that warrants a serious bipartisan commitment to working toward solutions like codifying DACA, coming up with common sense policies on visas and legal immigration, and, oh, maybe, ending the war on drugs that has trashed countries like Honduras and El Salvador. Just spitballing here.

https://thebulwark.com/its-hypocrisy-all-the-way-down/

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

log on, lob a baseless insult, scurry off, repeat.

It was an observation.

everyone in DC, on both sides, gets a richly deserved grade of F on this issue. but neither you nor the media gave a frogs fat azz, until Trump took office. that photo in the article TDF shared, got exactly zero attention at the time.

The Obama admin wasn't perfect on the issue but back in 2014 the influx of unaccompanied minors was still pretty new and the system wasn't prepared for it. Flash forward to 2018 and the Trump admin has done just about everything possible to make the problem much worse and now we have pretty much total chaos.

You guys are still buying the Trump lie that his policies were the same as Obama's or better that he's fixing Obama's problems. Far from it...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

It was an observation.


The Obama admin wasn't perfect on the issue but back in 2014 the influx of unaccompanied minors was still pretty new and the system wasn't prepared for it. Flash forward to 2018 and the Trump admin has done just about everything possible to make the problem much worse and now we have pretty much total chaos.

You guys are still buying the Trump lie that his policies were the same as Obama's or better that he's fixing Obama's problems. Far from it...

i freely admit, because it’s true, trump expanded obama’s policy of kids in cages, he’s doing it
more often.

so what you’re saying then, is that a certain number of kids in cages is acceptable to the left. and by a stunning coincidence, obama
was below that number, and trump
is above that number. shocker...

obama could have started construction, way back
in 2014, of an acceptable facility capable of holding tens of thousands. he did
nothing. neither has trump. they both deserve an F on immigration.
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