Conflicting regulations

[beamie]

It wouldn't be my first impression that this is ripe for poaching........yet just a difference in state laws which gets confusing.

If you are a Jersey resident that holds a Penn permit and you are fishing in Penn you have to follow Penn rules. You get your 2 fish, go home to Jersey and now a criminal! They are going by Possession, but you followed the law.

The problem is even here in Mass. When and where does the fishing trip end......If you and I go fishing and keep one 30" fish each fishing with me on the south shore. And you have neighbors that really want a fillet so I say take my 2 . Now you get stopped when 4 fillets driving back to the North Shore, busted. But I gave you mine, again when does the fishing trip end. No one seems to be able to answer that. It should end at the dock or boat ramp.

This is an issue on ground fishing trips for haddock this time of year when people at the dock give some of their filets to the other guys in the parking lot. Now one guy may have 40 filets (20) fish vice 15. The law wants to lock you up, but you're not a criminal. It really gets frustrating.

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by beamie

The law wants to lock you up, but you're not a criminal. It really gets frustrating.

Just like Mass. firearms laws, making law abiding citizens into felons because it's too difficult to apprehend, charge, prosecute,convict, sentence and imprison the actual criminals so they go after low hanging fruit. Lazy Authoritarian power hungry Statists, screw them. I just mind my own business.

We all want the fishery to be a success and maintain a good population of striped bass, the regulators only want maximum sustainable yield.

[MakoMike]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

We all want the fishery to be a success and maintain a good population of striped bass, the regulators only want maximum sustainable yield.

Just FYI the ASMFC does not manage stripers for MSY.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by MakoMike

Just FYI the ASMFC does not manage stripers for MSY.

You are right. They way the manage them is Unsustainable.

[numbskull]

Originally Posted by MakoMike

Just FYI the ASMFC does not manage stripers for MSY.

Originally Posted by zimmy

You are right. They way the manage them is Unsustainable.

Yup.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

We all want the fishery to be a success and maintain a good population of striped bass, the regulators only want maximum sustainable yield.

By the way, technically, Makomike is correct when he says asmfc doesn't manage for Maximum Sustainable Yield. After an old thread, I dug into the details deeper since I didn't really follow the specific details much after I finished grad work around 03.

The reality: up to 2013, the target mortality was F=0.3, which was based on a MSY of F=0.34. They also included target spawning stock levels, relative to the 1995 levels. They ended up with two conflicting targets. The mortality target was for all intents and purposes, basically just under MSY. In 2013, they adjusted (lowered) the target mortality after it became apparent to themthat the regulations conflicted and, one might assume (a decade later than many of us) , were not sustainable. As I noted in that other thread, as of a year ago, some members of the commission believe that we are currently under harvesting.
And here we are...